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 The Second Coming (Lord of The Flies)
Author: Confused little one (---.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com)
Date:   05-10-04 17:13

My grade 10 english teacher has me reading the poem and then trying to relate it to the novel The Lord of The Flies but i'm clueless right now and need some help on it. If you have any ideas it would be much appericated for them, i also just want a simple understanding of the poem i understand and i know what it means to me but i want to know what it means to other people too for my research paper.
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 Re: The Second Coming (Lord of The Flies)
Author: xarsh khan (80.231.137.---)
Date:   08-19-04 00:14

Yeats wrote most of his poems in reaction to the havoc wreaked by the wolrd war 1.As far as i know Golding was inspired by the same to write his Lord of the Flies.The common element , as i see it , among the two is lack of integration among mankind which can only be achieved through submission to a common figure of authority , in Yeat's case it is none but God since he preached the turning away from the worldly considerations to the peace and serenity offered by the spiritual world.In The Second Coming the lack of lawlessness is causing violence to flourish , the authoritative power that keeps humans under control is missing.What results is chaos and confusion , the strife among people who want to rule and gain authority.Lord of The Flies is also about the same theme. The children on the island represent mankind in general.John and Ralph's conflicts as to who ought to rule the island represents the thirst for authority in the represent the problem faced by the world at large.Hunger for power results in war, the strong want to crush the weak and tighten their clasp over whatever or whoever would yield.Yeats feels that its time for someone to come and set things right but he also fears that when that happens the new figure of authority is to be feared rather than welcomes. It is not going to be as Christ was , Christ also came to redeem humanity of its sins and push them out of the darkness of faithlessness but this beastly demon of a ruler is the kind to make ur hair stand on its end.Thus in both works , apparently poles apart from eah other , have in common the same theme of faithlessness and lack of integration among mankind and the need for faith in a divine power that ,which alone can bring himan beings together to coexist in a peaceful manner.
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 Re: The Second Coming (Lord of The Flies)
Author: xarsh khan (80.231.137.---)
Date:   08-19-04 00:18

Yeats wrote most of his poems in reaction to the havoc wreaked by the wolrd war 1.As far as i know Golding was inspired by the same to write his Lord of the Flies.The common element , as i see it , among the two is lack of integration among mankind which can only be achieved through submission to a common figure of authority , in Yeat's case it is none but God since he preached the turning away from the worldly considerations to the peace and serenity offered by the spiritual world.In The Second Coming the lack of lawlessness is causing violence to flourish , the authoritative power that keeps humans under control is missing.What results is chaos and confusion , the strife among people who want to rule and gain authority.Lord of The Flies is also about the same theme. The children on the island represent mankind in general.John and Ralph's conflicts as to who ought to rule the island represents the thirst for authority ,the problem faced by the world at large.Hunger for power results in war, the strong want to crush the weak and tighten their clasp over whatever or whoever would yield.Yeats feels that its time for someone to come and set things right but he also fears that when that happens the new figure of authority is to be feared rather than welcomed. It is not going to be as Christ was , Christ also came to redeem humanity of its sins and push them out of the darkness of faithlessness but this beastly demon of a ruler is the kind to make ur hair stand on its end.Thus in both works , apparently poles apart from each other , have in common the same theme of faithlessness and lack of integration among mankind and the need for faith in a divine power that alone can bring human beings together to co-exist in a peaceful manner.
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 Re: The Second Coming (Lord of The Flies)
Author: Jay (---.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net)
Date:   09-01-04 23:10

u little @!#$
stop takin my girls time
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 Re: The Second Coming (Lord of The Flies)
Author: Jay (---.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net)
Date:   09-01-04 23:14

and you better thank her too
or you are in for some beating dude
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 Re: The Second Coming (Lord of The Flies)
Author: Jennifer (---.xlate.ufl.edu)
Date:   09-23-04 12:56

Thanks you realy helped me understand the meaning of the Yeats peom.
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 Re: The Second Coming (Lord of The Flies)
Author: ed (---.ecc.bvsd.k12.co.us)
Date:   04-26-05 12:45

I've come late to your question and am no scholar but find it a compelling requirement of your instructor to you.

In the general sense it is through the lose of innocence that all true human maturation happens. To remain as a child damns the adult to a servile posture in the face of power. This evolving to become awake opens the individual to choices of conscience; the falconer, we can substitute here parent or state, wills its charge to remain under its,his,her influence.This is to be determined by courage,curiosity or foolishness all of which challenge authority.

"The best" who lack conviction are those that try only to please authority,"the worst" exude intensity to break the will that binds them; there is no value judgement intended,I don't think, but an observation leading in the case of "The Second Coming" to the rebirth of another horror in the guise of religion.
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