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As things are, and as fundamentally they must always be, poetry is not a career, but a mug\'s game. No honest poet can ever
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All good men wish the entire abolition of slavery, as soon as it can take place with safety to the public, and for the lasting
good of the present wretched race of slaves. The only possible step that could be taken towards it by the convention was to
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Oliver Ellsworth, The Landholder, December 10, 1787