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Then hate me when thou wilt; if ever, now;

Now, while the world is bent my deeds to cross,

Join with the spite of fortune, make me bow,

And do not drop in for an after-loss:

Ah! do not, when my heart hath \'scap\'d this sorrow,

Come in the rearward of a conquer\'d woe;

Give not a windy night a rainy morrow,

To linger out a purpos\'d overthrow.

If thou wilt leave me, do not leave me last,

When other petty griefs have done their spite,

But in the onset come: so shall I taste

At first the very worst of fortune\'s might;

  And other strains of woe, which now seem woe,

  Compar\'d with loss of thee, will not seem so.

 	--William Shakespeare

My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I just signed legislation
which outlaws Russia forever. The bombing begins in five minutes.
Ronald Reagan

As things are, and as fundamentally they must always be, poetry is not a career, but a mug\'s game. No honest poet can ever
feel quite sure of the permanent value of what he has written: He may have wasted his time and messed up his life for
nothing.
T. S. Eliot