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CLI



Love is too young to know what conscience is, 

Yet who knows not conscience is born of love?

Then, gentle cheater, urge not my amiss,

Lest guilty of my faults thy sweet self prove:

For, thou betraying me, I do betray

My nobler part to my gross body\'s treason;

My soul doth tell my body that he may

Triumph in love; flesh stays no farther reason,

But rising at thy name doth point out thee,

As his triumphant prize. Proud of this pride,

He is contented thy poor drudge to be,

To stand in thy affairs, fall by thy side.

  No want of conscience hold it that I call

  Her \'love,\' for whose dear love I rise and fall.

 	--William Shakespeare

Beauty itself doth of itself persuade / The eyes of men without an orator.
-Shakespeare, The Rape of Lucrece (1594)

XXI



So is it not with me as with that Muse,

Stirr\'d by a painted beauty to his verse,

Who heaven itself for ornament doth use

And every fair with his fair doth rehearse,

Making a couplement of proud compare\'

With sun and moon, with earth and sea\'s rich gems,

With April\'s first-born flowers, and all things rare,

That heaven\'s air in this huge rondure hems.

O! let me, true in love, but truly write,

And then believe me, my love is as fair

As any mother\'s child, though not so bright

As those gold candles fix\'d in heaven\'s air:

  Let them say more that like of hearsay well;

  I will not praise that purpose not to sell.

 	--William Shakespeare