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Posted by Joe on August 16, 19100 at 00:51:05:
In Reply to: No, but I think great uncles should be allowed to rob their nephews and nieces at gunpoint. (nt) posted by Bruce on August 15, 19100 at 06:58:18:
: : Parents decide to produce their children (or not as the case may be). They decide how to grow their child, to feed it, nurture it, teach it, help it advance its capabilities until it can do these things and many more for itself.
: : In accomplishing the objective of teaching right from wrong, should parents be allowed to physically reprimand their children? To what level can they take this physical punishment? Who decides what this level is?
: : Murder obviously negates the objective as a child that is dead cannot know right from wrong, but is beating to the brink of death, if that is what the parent decides, acceptable?
: : I think we first need to decide what children are.
: : Are children conscious beings or are they just the property of their parents?
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: : 1. If they are conscious beings, then should they be punishable based on the decision of their parents?
: : Without the right to punish their children to teach right from wrong, will parents be able to bring up the children as they see fit? What level of punishment is acceptable? If the parents do not decide then, who decides what severity of punishment is acceptable?
: : Should the child decide whether or not to take their parents to court for physical abuse?
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: : 2. If they are the property of their parents, do the parents have a right to destroy what they created?
: : If a parent deems a child 'beyond help' can it destroy it?
: : If a parent decides they have made a mistake, or cannot afford to provide for their child anymore, can it then destroy it?
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: : 3. Are they in an intermediate state, punishable at their parent’s decision but not being able to be destroyed without the parents being guilty of murder? They have some, but not all, rights of an adult.
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: : There is then the question of when a child becomes an adult.
: : Does every child become an adult at age 18, or whenever the majority decides it to be so?
: : Should parents and their children come to a mutual agreement as to when the child should take responsibility for itself and its actions. Is this a gradual process or is there a single point in time when this transition of responsibility occurs? Is this up to the parents and child involved?
: : What if the child wants to leave but the parents don't?
: : What if the parents don't want to provide for the child any more, but the child cannot provide for itself?
: : What happens if a child never wants to take responsibility for itself?
: : What happens if the parents never want to let go of the child?
: : I realise we are getting close to an anti/pro abortion question. If the question of what constitues a human being needs to be included then so be it. My main aim is the discovery of when a human being becomes conscious that he is a human being and what power a parent has over their child.
: : ST