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 the art of Theatre
Author: Jakob (---.speed.planet.nl)
Date:   01-06-06 12:00

Theatre is not fitted for dealing with philosophy in a directly rational construction.
The englishman sees no means to communicate but theatrics. Philosophy, for him, must thereofre always be treated indirectly. Philophy must be played out, not thought about. The only thought the Englsihman is capable of is pure abstract thought involving no language of his heredity, and theatrical, poetic expression of sentiments.

That we must converse on this forum in English is an unfortunate circumstance, not something to dwell on all too enthousiasticly.

Thanks to Suut for this reminder.
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 proper language
Author: Jakob (---.speed.planet.nl)
Date:   01-06-06 12:11

De onoverwinnelijke macht van het sterke hoeft niet te worden bedacht - doordacht komt het steeds op zichzelf neer - doorstaan en bestaan. Weerstaan is een uiterlijk symptoom van inwendige willekeur, van gebrek aan natuurlijke samenhang. Bij een sterke lust naar waarheid gaat de individu hieraan te gronde, bij een zwakkere, door wil tot voortbestaan overheerste lust naar waarheid, die altijd gepaard gaat met een zwak ontwikkelde se ks uele wil, blijft de individu 'dwellen' (here the use of english language is better justified than dutch as it deals with an act of theatrics) op zijn 'tevredenheid met niets-zijn'.
Dat dit in het Europa van de derde industriele revolutie gepaard gaat met veel pompeus geraas zal niemand als een al te grote schok ervaren.
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 Re: the art of Theatre
Author: Michael (---.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)
Date:   01-08-06 01:27

I think you are stereotyping the english too much ... and without sufficent good reason.

You need a better reason other than

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 Re: the art of Theatre
Author: Michael (---.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)
Date:   01-08-06 01:32

I think you are stereotyping the english too much ... and without sufficent good reason.

You need a better reason other than Nietzcshe said it.

Have you ever been to England ? How many English do you know ?

I am actually very impressed by the english ... not necessarily the upper classes.

Speaking of theater - The magnificent 20th century english school of theater actors many of whom went to the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art are some of the finest artists ever and have left us a magnificent legacy. They are not

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 Re: the art of Theatre
Author: Jakob (---.speed.planet.nl)
Date:   01-08-06 16:13

English is a beautiful language, that is why it is unfit for philosophy - for profundity, that is - it is too seductive. It lures the writer into clever phrases. It is the democratic, language par excellence - how is that for a contradiction in terms!

I love English - as a language for good life and popular art -
for philosophy I am forced towards the harsher toungues.

Yes, I say this from a kind of bitterness towards those who proclaim nobiity to be something whcih can be claimed by simply stating one is noble in an elaborate demonstration of erudicy and eloquence adding up to a reference to what others have said before - others in a different, harsher language - Latin, German, Russian, Arabic, Persian, Hebrew - Greek; how often do you hear an englishman quote another englishman outside of a theatrical context?

I challenge you to distillate any meaning form Suuts post besides 'the higher man is inexplicably difficult to define which frustrates me very much'
or 'Nietzsche was high but how high phooey! I can't put my finger on it'
or 'I am drilled to produce philosophical lexigon at a rate mcDonalds produces Hanburgers'
or 'I hate, therefore I am noble'
This last phrase is of course the primary mark of identification of the English Nietzschean - he tries to adapt his style to Nietzsche's attitude - something he sees as the essence of his nobility

If an Englishman would evere succeed in mastering the German language to such an extent as to touch the finesses of Nietzsche's tenderness, he would weep, weep, weep until there were no life left of him - in shame, and in the extruciating realization of absolute waste.

No Englishman will ever dance in the eternal hunt that is philosophy - have you ever heard an englisan prononce 'Champs Elysees'?

Oh man - I cr ack me up.
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 the art of song
Author: Jakob (---.speed.planet.nl)
Date:   01-08-06 16:34

Also sprach Zarathustra is Europe's most delicate and lovesong.
That it is also the most powerful warmanual and the most subime piece of self analysis an has ever produced, is possible only because it is written in the language of the European heartland - a language of necessity. English is perpiheral - that is why the modern is so attracted to it - he always seeks curiosities - special items, novelties, etc.

But I agree with you, the english are pleasant folk. To me that primarily applies to the lower class - amongst the warmest and most upright englishmen I count the football supporters and rock-musicians; The rabble - amongst the virtues of these English their sense of humor and self mockery.
In a philosophical discourse, the forced restraint of mockery that the well educated englishman tends to find necessary is contradictory to the Nietzschean attitude - but that seeming opposition is only a difference in nuance. This to give you an idea of how the tremendous gap between the German and the English mind lies in the incapability of the Englishman to sense the insignificant as the most significant.

These are all generalizations but they are not to be dismissed on that account. I am strifing to reconcile the Englishman with his role in philosophy - that is why I bestow on Suut the attention he deserves - he is an above average actor - and that could even be an understatement.
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