Author: Ollie (---.speed.planet.nl)
Date: 12-09-05 14:33
Sauwelios wrote:
>
> Jakob wrote:
> >
> > O - How can one sustain union? In union, everything is
> > included. There is no more power.
> >
> > J - I disagree that that should be the case - rather, it is
> > only power.
>
> Yes, and there is no more power.
No more power to will. I mean, no more power that can be willed (for all power has been attained already).
>
>
> > The will to power is no more.
>
> Well, as soon as the will's revelling in its newly acquired
> all-might is over, it perceives it has lost the power to
> will, and therefore, in order to be able to go on willing, it
> forsakes its all-might. This is why the evolution of the will
> to power does not stop there (the All can never attain a
> final state).
>
(There being no external influences on the All.)
>
> The
> > consequence of this throught is that Trtuh is, in the end,
> > equal to power. That does, however, not mean that lust and
> > will are the same.
>
> Well, lust is a type of will. A specific type, yes, so they
> are not synonymous, no. But lust is always will; will is just
> not always lust.
>
>
> >
> > > Both acts are under the will to power. But power is an
> > > instrument to attain the awareness of itself; Truth.
>
> Yes, and immediately when it has attained this Truth, its
> Godhood, wish that it had not, or might, at least, not
> maintain it. It then longs for
> untruth/duality/not-being-God.
>
I mean here that the wil to power, immediately when it has attained all-might, would wish that it had never attained it or rather, wishes not to maintain it.
I do not challenge the view that truth is divine, but that divinity is desirable. God is the truth; but whoever said it was good to be God?
>
> >
> > O - Yes, the feeling of power. But, as soon as it is
> > attained, this awareness of power changes into the awareness
> > of impotence - into fear.
> >
> >
> > J - I disagree that that feeling whcih drives the universe to
> > decompose again should be a feeling of impotence; rather the
> > opposite, I should say
>
> Yes, you should say; but do you know? Have you first-hand
> experience of this attainment?
>
>
> ; yes, It results out of the bestowing
> > virtue. The universe is everything, and can not fulfill it's
> > lust to truth anymore by accumulating into oneness (the
> > accumulation into onneness is truth); Truth rather becomes to
> > decompose and begin the process anew!
>
> Not Truth, but Art.
"The tragic myth is to be understood only as a symbolization of Dionysian wisdom through Apollinian artifices."
[Nietzsche, BT 22.]
>
>
> >
> > This is comparable to Zarathustra's bestowing virtue in the
> > opening chapter.
> >
> >
> > > Or; the universe wills to power in it's lust for truth.
> > O - Yes; and then wills to power in its alethaphobia - its
> > fear of truth/will to untruth (duality).
> >
> > The transition between eros and phobos applies only in the
> > case of the Mad God, which I included because it is an
> > interesting possibility - not because it is a givern reality.
>
> Oh, it is given alright; just not to you.
>
>
> >
> > O - Well, in the (short) period of truth - there being no
> >
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