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: : : : : : kwj(did I spel thet right?), : : : : : I'm not shure thet Hemingwey ever acknowledged anybody, did he? I know he bragged about bein' finally better then Tolstoy, which I doubt. Thanks fer the reminder about this site. Let's see how long it takes us t' be throwd out of this place. Hal : : : : : : Reading Moby-, I was taken by some similiarity between it and Death in the Afternoon. : : : : : : History, legend, descriptions of bulls and bullfighting, directly addressing the reader, etc. : : : : : : Anybody know (pjk?) if EH ever mentioned melville (I'm sure he read him. I don't recall seeing this. : : : : : : many thanks : : : : : : kwt : : : : Pjk, Ya put me t' shame. Yep, I forgot about Turgenev, Mark Twain, an' the rest. Guess I was preoccupied! Have any a you ever read Turgenev? Is he th' one rote "Sketches of a Sportsman" or "Sportsman's Sketches" or somethin' like that? I'm curious whet his writin' is like. I can see how Twain woulda influenced Hemingstein by flattening out his prose, whet I remember about Twain. You fellers and gals make me want t' go back an' red them fellars. Thar's so many too red though. Hal : : : -- Have any of you noticed that one of Turgenev's major novels is titled Fathers and Sons, and the last Nick Adams story has the same title? : : : Also, Hal, what do you mean about Hem "flattening out his prose" after the style of Twain? In what sense is Twain's prose flat? That's the last word I would use to describe Twain's prose, though I could sometimes see it in Hem. : : : TIA, : : : Sue : : You hit exactly what I am going to do some time... : : read some Turgenev, some Tolstoi (I was planning to do War : : and Peace this winter (followed by the sequal Warren Harding : : 8-))), some more Conrad (I bought a copy of Nostromo and want : : to re-read Heart of Darkness), and Lord Jim, and a bunch more : : (Far form the Madding Crowd, The Nekked and the Dead, even : : Ulysses, sheesh. But I can usually do 3 books / month in the winter. : : And just for fun, I have been putting together a series of : : answers for the FAQ at the Hemingway Resource Center which : : shows where Hemingway got his titles. eg, "Give us : : peace in our time, Oh Lord," from the Book of Common Prayer. : : (That's why he specified that it be uncapitalized. : : Now if L. Swilley will just show up, we'd be set. : : Thanks : : Pjk : Hemingway did indeed read Turgenev. I remember in one of the bio's, I think the one from Baker, that while spending time in the Alps one of the books he had was Sportsmans Sketches. He liked the way Turgenev wrote landscape. The topic of the origins of his book and short story titles is interesting. Some I know of are: "The Sun Also Rises" from Ecclesiastes in the bible. "Fathers and Sons" and "The Torrents of Spring" from Turgenev. "A Farewell to Arms" from a poem by George Peele. "For Who the Bell Tolls" from a poem by John Donne. "Across the River and Into the Trees", from the dying words of Stonewall Jackson. A lot of his short story titles come from episodes in his own life and are extremely interesting to read and probably long winded to explain. Maybe they can be handled one at a time as inquired about, as I hope they will be.

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