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Posted by Sue on October 27, 192000 at 01:10:07:

In Reply to: Re: moby- posted by Pjk on October 27, 192000 at 00:26:22:

: : kwj(did I spel thet right?),
: : I'm not shure thet Hemingwey ever acknowledged anybody, did he? I know he bragged about bein' finally better then Tolstoy, which I doubt. Thanks fer the reminder about this site. Let's see how long it takes us t' be throwd out of this place. Hal

: : : Reading Moby-Dick, I was taken by some similiarity between it and Death in the Afternoon.
: : : History, legend, descriptions of bulls and bullfighting, directly addressing the reader, etc.
: : : Anybody know (pjk?) if EH ever mentioned melville (I'm sure he read him. I don't recall seeing this.

: : : many thanks

: : : kwt

: Jeffery Meyers says that hemingway's favorite authors
: (as of 1925) were Marryat (who wrote sea-stories), Ivan
: Turgenev and Henry Fielding. He would soon list Conrad and
: twain and Crane, but I've never seen mention of his having
: read or liken or influenced by Melville.

: hth
: Pjk

-- Instead of worrying about influences specifically, why not just compare and contrast the two works, just noting the similarities and differences between Moby Dick and Death in the Afternoon. Then, if the similarities are strong, obvious, and one seems definitely influenced by or derivative of the other, then make your case.

Also, I don't see how an author as competent and well-read as Hem could have passed over Melville.
What do you think?

Sue

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      - well, no matter what ole Swilley might think.. Sue 04:25:45 10/28/2000 (4)
        
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