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Posted by EdG on August 03, 19100 at 19:30:18:
In Reply to: Re: Hemingway in the South posted by Zack on August 02, 19100 at 20:49:56:
: : : : : If people are agreable we could pick another
: : : : : story to look at and kick around each week or
: : : : : so. If we decided on a Friday, we would have
: : : : : a chance to read it over the weekend and perhaps
: : : : : post some thoughts for the following week.
: : : : : I thought that for next week we could look at
: : : : : Fathers and Sons. It's interesting because it
: : : : : presents Nick as both a son in his reflections
: : : : : about his father, and as a father, himself, as
: : : : : he looks down and sees his own son.
: : : : : Is he thinking at first that his own father was
: : : : : remiss in not telling him about , but then
: : : : : realizes that he would do the same thing if his
: : : : : own son asked him the same question?
: : : : : Pjk
: : : : TO: PJK
: : : : I'm unsure of how this site works, but am definitely interested in participating. How about e-mailing me some pointers on how and when the chat takes place.
: : : : EdG
: : : EdG,
: : : Pjk will probably respond too. If you read down, you will see some lively discussions interspersed with periods of "nada".
: : : With regards to "Fathers and Sons", and in relation to the "Gambler, The Nun and the Radio", does anyone know whether current literature allows for the degree of racist stereotyping that was permissable in Hemingway's times. In "Fathers and Sons" there is a lot of racial stereotyping of Indians, as there is of Mexicans in "Gambler". I am rereading "Fathers and Sons" now and reviewed "Gamblers" recently. I am aware that rappers, both Black and white, have been utilizing the racial thing, along with other politically incorrect subjects, but I was wondering whether these things are being addressed by other writers.
: : : Also, does anyone know much about Hemingway's life while he was married to Pauline in Arkansas or Alabama? How long was he married to her, and what was it that drove her away? Was she a clinging wife? Thanks, Zack
: : Zack;
: : I don't think Hemingway and Pauline ever lived in Alabama, or Arkansas. Maybe they drove through a lot on trips west from Florida to visit her family. Her family was wealthy, owned a cosmetics firm and lived in Arkansas (?? someone correct me on that). Pauline was working as a fashion magazine reporter in Paris when she met Hemingway. She lured him away from Hadley, his first wife, and they married in Paris and moved to Key West, Florida. They had two sons, Patrick and Gregory, and finished out the 20's and went well into the 30's in Key West. That's where they lived when he wrote "A Farewell to Arms" and became a literary name. In the late 30's he was easily taken away from Pauline by a younger and prettier writer (who just died in '98) named
: : Martha Gellhorn. After a time in Spain covering the civil war, they ended up living in Havana.
: : EdG
: In the South there is a house that is open to the public. I forget whether it is Arkansas or Alabama. In this house, Hemingway is reputed to have done a lot of serious writing. It is said Hemingway did not like the muggy weather there. This conflicts with your own statements above, that Hemingway neither lived there nor that he wrote there. This was printed in a newspaper, so it may have some veracity?
: I think you are right on the other information about Pauline. I'm still curious as to why Hemingway left Pauline. Did he ever speak on this subject? In his short stories he portrayed a beautiful, "dangerous" woman on safari. He portrayed rich women. Were these based on Pauline or on the blond he married for a brief time? Zack
I'd bet on the house in Key West being the one he did "a lot of serious writing in." It is open to the public.
Good question the one of why he left Pauline. You had originally asked why she left him, which she did not. Once she realized that Martha was more than a ping fancy, Pauline campaigned to keep him. Many biographers have dealt with that episode, but I don't recall any simple explanation.
Hemingway had converted to catholicism to marry Pauline, but that didn't stop him from divorcing her. He seems to have gotten bored, and Martha was fresh and exciting at a moment when his manly self-esteem could use a booster. He left her but didn't dump her, nor was there ever any abandonment of his sons. He just moved on.
"The Garden of Eden," gives the impression that Pauline's uality might have been ambiguous, but Hem never concluded that work. The rich, beautiful woman was more likely based on Jane Mason, who Hem's supposed to have had a brief affair with in Cuba.
EdG