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 i need great gatsby quote!!
Author: sam (---.mpk-mres.charterpipeline.net)
Date:   05-02-05 01:45

I need a quote from the great gatsby, something about the character Myrtle proving that she is greedy and using Tom for his money...i dont have the book with me...i need pages #'s...HELP!

 Myrtle's greed
Author: L. Swilley (---.houston.res.rr.com)
Date:   05-05-05 08:44

sam wrote:
>
> I need a quote from the great gatsby, something about
> the character Myrtle proving that she is greedy and using Tom
> for his money...i dont have the book with me...i need pages
> #'s...HELP!

================================================

Try Chapter 11, page 35, where Myrtle describes her estimate of her husband based on his clothes, then p.36 where she does the same of Tom.

L. Swilley

 Re: Myrtle's greed
Author: jrobbins (207.203.80.---)
Date:   05-05-05 10:17

What are or where are the literary criticisms of the Great Gatsby???

 Re: Myrtle's greed
Author: Mary No (207.247.25.---)
Date:   05-05-05 14:19

L. Swilley wrote:
>
> sam wrote:
> >
> > I need a quote from the great gatsby, something about
> > the character Myrtle proving that she is greedy and using Tom
> > for his money...i dont have the book with me...i need pages
> > #'s...HELP!
>
> ================================================
>
> Try Chapter 11, page 35, where Myrtle describes her
> estimate of her husband based on his clothes, then p.36 where
> she does the same of Tom.
>
> L. Swilley


Ah, once again some of that breathless, intricate patterning that Fitzgerald crafted into TGG!!

And for Myrtle turnaround is fair play - and the irony of it all is lovely - Tom's gift to Daisy for becoming his bride was a priceless pearl necklace, but what Myrtle received from him for being his mistress was a dog collar.

 Thanks, Mary No
Author: L. Swilley (---.houston.res.rr.com)
Date:   05-09-05 10:13

Mary No wrote:

Tom's gift to Daisy for becoming his bride
> was a priceless pearl necklace, but what Myrtle received from
> him for being his mistress was a dog collar.
=============================================

Thanks for this note. In spite of all these years of looking carefully at TGG,
I missed the point you so perfectly make here.

Not so incidentally: I am satisfied that the first five chapters are organized to show the disenchantmen of Nick, first with Tom's world (Chapters 1 and 2); then with Gatsby's (chapters 3 and 4). Chapter 5 shows Nick choosing Gatsby over Tom.(this helped along by Nick's fascination with Jordan who asks the favor of Nick's help in arranging the reunion of Daisy and Gatsby.

But there I pause - as did Fitzgerald, I am told, did (it took him a while to continue the story after the end of chapter 5). My problem: there being so neat an organization of the first five chapters as Nick's evolution, what is the proper view of the last four chapters as the continuing experience of Nick (I think we MUST continue the story as that of Nick; a shift to anyone else for this elucidation is unthinkable.)?

If you - or anyone else here - have/has an answer to that question, I would very much appreciate your input.

Thanks.

L. Swilley

 Does This Help?
Author: Mary No (207.247.25.---)
Date:   05-10-05 10:30

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Our high respect for a well read person is praise enough for literature.
T. S. Eliot


LIX

If there be nothing new, but that which is
Hath been before, how are our brains beguil'd,
Which labouring for invention bear amiss
The second burthen of a former child!
O! that record could with a backward look,
Even of five hundred courses of the sun,
Show me your image in some antique book,
Since mind at first in character was done!
That I might see what the old world could say
To this composed wonder of your frame;
Wh'r we are mended, or wh'r better they,
Or whether revolution be the same.
O! sure I am the wits of former days,
To subjects worse have given admiring praise.
--William Shakespeare

A thing of beauty is a joy forever,
Its loveliness increases; it will never
Pass into nothingness; but still will keep
A bower quiet for us, and a sleep
Full of sweet dreams, and health, and quiet breathing.
-John Keats
Business today consists in persuading crowds.
T. S. Eliot

 Re: Myrtle's greed
Author: Pjk (130.156.142.---)
Date:   05-10-05 10:50

Even better, IIRC. Daisy "gets" a daughter and Myrtle gets a mongrel pooch.

Pjk

 Re: Myrtle's greed
Author: Mary No (207.247.25.---)
Date:   05-10-05 11:38

Pjk wrote:
>
> Even better, IIRC. Daisy "gets" a daughter and Myrtle
> gets a mongrel pooch.
>
> Pjk

And if you like dark humor: Daisy "gets" Myrtle with the right front fender of a yellow Rolls Royce.

 Re: Myrtle's greed
Author: Pjk (130.156.142.---)
Date:   05-12-05 10:44

Can we make any comments about the flora-type names? Myrtle vs. Daisy?

Pjk

 Not Really
Author: Catherine (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date:   05-12-05 19:48

Mary,

You said that Nick did not "wreck" Gatsby.

But was it not Nick that agreed to allow, in his own home, the meeting between Gatsby and Daisy, a meeting that permitted the adulterous liaison between Gatsby and Daisy to blossom and bloom and which then consequently set up and set off a "daisy chain" of events that led to the death of Myrtle and Gatsby? How might you think Nick to be completely innocent in his involvement of their sin and then the tragedy of Myrtle getting run down in the road like a dog and then later the holocaust made complete by the newly made and sorrowful widower Wilson?

Catherine

 Myrtle and Daisy
Author: Catherine (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date:   05-12-05 21:22

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outside of a horse.
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it.
Jacob Lawrence


CIX

O! never say that I was false of heart,
Though absence seem\'d my flame to qualify,
As easy might I from my self depart
As from my soul which in thy breast doth lie:
That is my home of love: if I have rang\'d,
Like him that travels, I return again;
Just to the time, not with the time exchang\'d,
So that myself bring water for my stain.
Never believe though in my nature reign\'d,
All frailties that besiege all kinds of blood,
That it could so preposterously be stain\'d,
To leave for nothing all thy sum of good;
For nothing this wide universe I call,
Save thou, my rose, in it thou art my all.
--William Shakespeare

 Re: Not Really
Author: Mary No (207.247.25.---)
Date:   05-13-05 11:53

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Accept the things to which fate binds you, and love the people with whom fate brings you together, but do so with all your
heart.
Marcus Aurelius 121-80 AD, Roman Emperor, PhilosopherWe but half express ourselves, and are ashamed of that divine idea which each of us represents. --EmersonThe hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax. --Albert
EinsteinMy gaze on Beatrice, hers on Heaven,
In less time than an arrow strikes the mark,
Flies through the air, loosed from its catch, I found
myself in some place where a wondrous thing.
Absorbed all of my mind, and then my lady,
From whom I could not keep my thirst to know,
turned toward me as joyful as her beauty:
Direct your mind and gratitude, she said,
To God, who raised us up to His first star.
-Dante, The Divine Comedy: Paradise

 Re: Not Really?
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Date:   05-15-05 09:42

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programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is
the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!
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There is no method but to be very intelligent.
T. S. EliotIt was a high counsel that I once heard given to a young person, Always do what you are afraid to do. -- Ralph Waldo
Emerson


CI

O truant Muse what shall be thy amends
For thy neglect of truth in beauty dy'd?
Both truth and beauty on my love depends;
So dost thou too, and therein dignified.
Make answer Muse: wilt thou not haply say,
'Truth needs no colour, with his colour fix'd;
Beauty no pencil, beauty's truth to lay;
But best is best, if never intermix'd'?
Because he needs no praise, wilt thou be dumb?
Excuse not silence so, for't lies in thee
To make him much outlive a gilded tomb
And to be prais'd of ages yet to be.
Then do thy office, Muse; I teach thee how
To make him seem long hence as he shows now.
--William Shakespeare

 Re: i need page # for these quotes please help me !!!!!!!
Author: meghan (---.109.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com)
Date:   05-16-05 22:04


1. "You always have a green light that burns all night at the end of your dock."

2. "Gatsby believed in the green light, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that's no matter- tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther..... And one fine morning- "

3. "occasionally a line of gray craws alone an invisible track, gives out a ghastly creek and comes to rest, and immediately the ash gray men swarm up"

 But Consider This, Please
Author: Mary No (207.247.25.---)
Date:   05-17-05 12:30

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XXVII

Weary with toil, I haste me to my bed,
The dear respose for limbs with travel tir'd;
But then begins a journey in my head
To work my mind, when body's work's expired:
For then my thoughts--from far where I abide--
Intend a zealous pilgrimage to thee,
And keep my drooping eyelids open wide,
Looking on darkness which the blind do see:
Save that my soul's imaginary sight
Presents thy shadow to my sightless view,
Which, like a jewel (hung in ghastly night,
Makes black night beauteous, and her old face new.
Lo! thus, by day my limbs, by night my mind,
For thee, and for myself, no quiet find.
--William Shakespeare


VII

Lo! in the orient when the gracious light
Lifts up his burning head, each under eye
Doth homage to his new-appearing sight,
Serving with looks his sacred majesty;
And having climb'd the steep-up heavenly hill,
Resembling strong youth in his middle age,
Yet mortal looks adore his beauty still,
Attending on his golden pilgrimage:
But when from highmost pitch, with weary car,
Like feeble age, he reeleth from the day,
The eyes, 'fore duteous, now converted are
From his low tract, and look another way:
So thou, thyself outgoing in thy noon:
Unlook'd, on diest unless thou get a son.
--William Shakespeare


LXXXVIII

When thou shalt be dispos'd to set me light,
And place my merit in the eye of scorn,
Upon thy side, against myself I'll fight,
And prove thee virtuous, though thou art forsworn.
With mine own weakness, being best acquainted,
Upon thy part I can set down a story
Of faults conceal'd, wherein I am attainted;
That thou in losing me shalt win much glory:
And I by this will be a gainer too;
For bending all my loving thoughts on thee,
The injuries that to myself I do,
Doing thee vantage, double-vantage me.
Such is my love, to thee I so belong,
That for thy right, myself will bear all wrong.
--William Shakespeare


III

Look in thy glass and tell the face thou viewest
Now is the time that face should form another;
Whose fresh repair if now thou not renewest,
Thou dost beguile the world, unbless some mother.
For where is she so fair whose unear'd womb
Disdains the tillage of thy husbandry?
Or who is he so fond will be the tomb,
Of his self-love to stop posterity?
Thou art thy mother's glass and she in thee
Calls back the lovely April of her prime;
So thou through windows of thine age shalt see,
Despite of wrinkles this thy golden time.
But if thou live, remember'd not to be,
Die single and thine image dies with thee.
--William Shakespeare

 Re: i need page # for these quotes please help me !!!!!!!
Author: Mary No (207.247.25.---)
Date:   05-17-05 12:37

Chapters 5, 9 and 2, respectively. The exact page numbers are dependent upon the edition of the text you are looking at.

 More Intricate Patterning, and Its Message
Author: Mary No (207.247.25.---)
Date:   05-17-05 14:44

In thinking over what I have written previously, I discovered yet another instance of Fitzgerald’s intricate patterning within the novel. Previously, the individual instances alone, and when glossed over together made no sense to me, but now they do.

In Chapter 1, while at dinner at the Buchanan’s, they are all eating out on the patio. The phone rings and the butler goes inside to answer it. Daisy whispers to Nick that the butler’s nose had once been affected by silver polish. The butler returns, murmurs something into Tom’s ear, and Tom goes inside to take the call.

Then in Chapter 5, when Daisy steps out of her car at Nick’s place she murmurs to him the chauffeur’s name. Nick asks her, wittingly “Does gasoline affect his nose?” Daisy seems not to understand what Nick is getting at, i.e., she misses his droll allusion to her earlier disclosure about the butler.

On the surface, the parallelism here is that servants of the rich are affected, or might be affected by chemicals they come into contact with in the course of their duties (silver polish, and gasoline).

But of deeper significance, the arrival of the butler to the table concerning the phone call – the one from Myrtle – is the first, immediate signal in the story that Tom is having an affair. The arrival of the chauffeur, driving Daisy to Nick’s place immediately precedes the instigation of Daisy and Gatsby’s licentious affair. I think that Fitzgerald’s veiled message here is that the rich, dependant upon their servants as they are, apparently have no secrets from them. The butler knows of Tom’s indiscretions, and the chauffeur of Daisy’s. Man and wife may be able to deceive each other, but their sins lie @!#$ before their hired help.

 Considering...
Author: L. Swilley (---.houston.res.rr.com)
Date:   05-17-05 18:07

Mary No wrote:
>
> In reading over the points you have made so clearly, I find
> there are some I can agree with, but much that I can not.
>
> I can find nothing in the text that points to Nick knowing in
> advance that permitting Gatsby to use his house for the
> purpose of meeting Daisy would lead to their adulterous
> affair (much less, through a domino effect the unpleasant
> passings of Myrtle, Gatsby and Wilson);

[Nick must know that the meeting between the two will be romantically fiery. Jordan has reported a) the early intense romance of Gatsby and Daisy, b) Gatsby's desperate request that Daisy wait for him, c) Daisy's drunken repudiation of her fiance while, in her sobering bath, she held the disintegrating love letter from Gatsby. d) She has reported that Daisy was so smitten with Lt. Gatsby that she had to be restrained by her family from going to New York to see him off to the war. e) She has reported that Gatsby has purchased his mansion just to be near Daisy.

[How could anyone considering Gatsby's determined passion and Daisy's passionate nature and her fierce disappointment in her husband and his @!#$ meanderings, suppose that the union of these two former lovers would not lead to adultery? Nick has made his home available to this meeting, told Daisy not to bring Tom and then left the two former lovers alone together. That Nick should not know that he has poured gasoline on this smoldering fire suggests that he is a fool, naive beyond the gullible, starry-eyed warbling of it.

likewise I do not
> understand the relevance of any arguments founded on material
> residing outside the instant text, even if their source was
> Fitzgerald himself.

[I enthusiastically agree with this and would not attempt to make a case based solely on matters external to the story at hand. On the other hand, we can and should take hints in other works of things to look for and test in the immediate investigation. ]

> Following your logic path concerning Nick’s unwitting
> responsibility for future events: What if you were to hold
> open the front door of a large institution so as to assist a
> man trying to enter with a big heavy package, and then later
> learned that he was a terrorist and the package a large bomb
> that he detonated in the building snuffing out many innocent
> lives? Would you be “responsible” for his actions and the
> ensuing carnage? One should hope not.

[To be continued, L. S.]

 Considering (continued)
Author: L. Swilley (---.houston.res.rr.com)
Date:   05-18-05 08:56

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A friend might well be reckoned the masterpiece of nature. -- Ralph Waldo EmersonThe genius of architecture seems to have shed its maledictions over this land. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes
on the State of Virginia, 1784-1785


LXXIX

Whilst I alone did call upon thy aid,
My verse alone had all thy gentle grace;
But now my gracious numbers are decay\'d,
And my sick Muse doth give an other place.
I grant, sweet love, thy lovely argument
Deserves the travail of a worthier pen;
Yet what of thee thy poet doth invent
He robs thee of, and pays it thee again.
He lends thee virtue, and he stole that word
From thy behaviour; beauty doth he give,
And found it in thy cheek: he can afford
No praise to thee, but what in thee doth live.
Then thank him not for that which he doth say,
Since what he owes thee, thou thyself dost pay.
--William Shakespeare

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. --Albert
Einstein

 And more...
Author: L. Swilley (---.houston.res.rr.com)
Date:   05-18-05 09:21

Mary No wrote:
>
> In thinking over what I have written previously, I
> discovered yet another instance of Fitzgerald’s intricate
> patterning within the novel....On the surface, the parallelism here is that servants of the
> rich are affected, or might be affected by chemicals they
> come into contact with in the course of their duties (silver
> polish, and gasoline).
>
> But of deeper significance, the arrival of the butler to the
> table concerning the phone call – the one from Myrtle – is
> the first, immediate signal in the story that Tom is having
> an affair. The arrival of the chauffeur, driving Daisy to
> Nick’s place immediately precedes the instigation of Daisy
> and Gatsby’s licentious affair. I think that Fitzgerald’s
> veiled message here is that the rich, dependant upon their
> servants as they are, apparently have no secrets from them.
> The butler knows of Tom’s indiscretions, and the chauffeur of
> Daisy’s. Man and wife may be able to deceive each other, but
> their sins lie @!#$ before their hired help.

=============================================

Servants in the novel are not only, as you say, privy to the secrets of their masters, they tolerate their insults, indicating a social superiority of the masters unavailable to the lower classes. From Chapter II, we have "A reluctant elevator-boy went for a box full of straw [for the dog]", and "'Keep your hands off the lever,' snapped the elevator-boy." These reactions would be unthinkable by servants on East Egg. There is a further study of this issue in Chapter V, in the paragraph beginning "I walked out the back way, etc."; and in that "unfamiliar butler" who answers Gatsby's door at the beginning of Chapter VII.

L. Swilley

 Even More
Author: Mary No (207.247.25.---)
Date:   05-18-05 11:43

L. Swilley wrote:
>
> Servants in the novel are not only, as you say, privy
> to the secrets of their masters, they tolerate their insults,
> indicating a social superiority of the masters unavailable to
> the lower classes. From Chapter II, we have "A reluctant
> elevator-boy went for a box full of straw [for the dog]", and
> "'Keep your hands off the lever,' snapped the elevator-boy."
> These reactions would be unthinkable by servants on East Egg.
> There is a further study of this issue in Chapter V, in the
> paragraph beginning "I walked out the back way, etc."; and in
> that "unfamiliar butler" who answers Gatsby's door at the
> beginning of Chapter VII.
>
> L. Swilley

I like your analysis about the servants, and their relations vis-a vis the rich and conversely the not rich at all.

Even Nick must suffer his “Finnish woman” who, according to Nick in chapter 1 “made my bed and cooked breakfast and muttered Finnish wisdom to herself over the electric stove”. In Chapter 5, Nick describes her as the “demonic Finn” who, when called back from West Egg village to help with the tea and cakes evidently took exception to the need for her presence.

So is Nick’s attitude towards servants really any different than that as expressed by Myrtle in Chapter 2, as you have so astutely pointed out (“’I told that boy about the ice’”. Myrtle raised her eyebrows in despair at the shiftlessness of the lower orders. “These people! You have to keep after them all the time’.”) It seems Nick, in that regard, is not much different than Myrtle – though we must note that he is not of the working class, nor wealthy but rather from a family of better than average means.

Looking a bit further, and seeing things from the lower class point of view, we must note also in chapter 5 that the brewer who had owned Gatsby’s house before him had offered to pay the taxes on his neighboring cottages (including, we assume Nick’s place) for five years if they would agree to have their roofs redone with thatch. Nick sagely observes that “Americans, while occasionally willing to be serfs, have always been obstinate about being peasantry”.

 Still Considering Yours
Author: Mary No (207.247.25.---)
Date:   05-18-05 12:28

I recognize your position and must admit at this juncture that I can not respond adequately. It has been years since I read the novel as a whole and I would have to revisit it in that way to do any justice to your thoughts.

But still my overarching concern is this: We must be attentive to the fact that Nick has written the novel a couple of years after the events transpired – after he has returned home and from the vantage points of introspective reflection and 20-20 hindsight. What is imperative is to separate those advantages from what Nick actually knew, what he actually thought, and how he actually felt at the exact instances in time that the events actually transpired. We must separate the knowing and wiser Nick who wrote the novel from the neophyte who arrived at West Egg in the late spring of 1922 and left in the early fall. Does your analysis reflect this?

Going off on a bit of a tangent, have you ever compared Nick’s delivery of Daisy into the expectant arms of Gatsby against Jake’s handing over of Brett to Pedro in SAR? Afterwards, Jake realizes that he has played the role of pimp, and that he has broken the code and what it stands for. I do not recall Nick every having any such thoughts or misgivings or regrets later on.

 Re: Still Considering Yours
Author: Catherine (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date:   05-18-05 20:51

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This is the way the world ends: not with a bang, but a whimper.
T. S. Eliot


CI

O truant Muse what shall be thy amends
For thy neglect of truth in beauty dy\'d?
Both truth and beauty on my love depends;
So dost thou too, and therein dignified.
Make answer Muse: wilt thou not haply say,
\'Truth needs no colour, with his colour fix\'d;
Beauty no pencil, beauty\'s truth to lay;
But best is best, if never intermix\'d\'?
Because he needs no praise, wilt thou be dumb?
Excuse not silence so, for\'t lies in thee
To make him much outlive a gilded tomb
And to be prais\'d of ages yet to be.
Then do thy office, Muse; I teach thee how
To make him seem long hence as he shows now.
--William Shakespeare



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Founding Fathers Quotes

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 Re: Still Considering
Author: L. Swilley (---.houston.res.rr.com)
Date:   05-19-05 08:23

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LXXXIV

Who is it that says most, which can say more,
Than this rich praise,--that you alone, are you?
In whose confine immured is the store
Which should example where your equal grew.
Lean penury within that pen doth dwell
That to his subject lends not some small glory;
But he that writes of you, if he can tell
That you are you, so dignifies his story,
Let him but copy what in you is writ,
Not making worse what nature made so clear,
And such a counterpart shall fame his wit,
Making his style admired every where.
You to your beauteous blessings add a curse,
Being fond on praise, which makes your praises worse.
--William Shakespeare



I\'ve never been able to understand why a Republican contributor is a \'fat
cat\' and a Democratic contributor of the same amount of money is a
\'public-spirited philanthropist\'.
Ronald Reagan
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, \'Thy will be done,\' and those to whom God says, \'All right, then, have
it your way.\'
C. S. Lewis

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Ronald Reagan

 Re: Still Considering
Author: ananda (166.127.1.---)
Date:   05-19-05 11:40

Mr. Swilley,

What's the difference between 1) what Nick experienced at the moment he reports and 4) what Nick thinks about it in the present of his telling???

ananda

 Re: Still Considering
Author: L. Swilley (---.houston.res.rr.com)
Date:   05-19-05 13:39

ananda wrote:
>
> Mr. Swilley,
>
> What's the difference between 1) what Nick experienced at the
> moment he reports and 4) what Nick thinks about it in the
> present of his telling???
>
> ananda

===============================

Yes, they can be the same. On the other hand,

Example: "She walked across the room" ( 1) Nick's experience of the moment)

"I admired her as she walked across the room." (Nick's report of his reaction at the time of his experience. )

"I was foolish enough to admire her as she....etc." ( 4) Nick's current opinion of his former reaction to the experience.

L. Swilley

 Re: Still Considering
Author: Catherine (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date:   05-20-05 17:51

L. Swilley wrote:
>
> ananda wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Swilley,
> >
> > What's the difference between 1) what Nick experienced at the
> > moment he reports and 4) what Nick thinks about it in the
> > present of his telling???
> >
> > ananda
>
> ===============================
>
> Yes, they can be the same. On the other hand,
>
> Example: "She walked across the room" ( 1) Nick's
> experience of the moment)
>
> "I admired her as she walked across the
> room." (Nick's report of his reaction at the time of his
> experience. )
>
> "I was foolish enough to admire her as
> she....etc." ( 4) Nick's current opinion of his former
> reaction to the experience.
>
> L. Swilley

I am trying very hard to apply your rules about the Nick in “real time” as opposed to the different Nick back home after he has thought many deep thoughts and they have gelled and it is all sorted out.

For example, would you please examine with me the coda of Chapter IV, where Nick writes years after it happened:

“…and so I drew up the girl beside me, tightening my arms. Her wan, scornful mouth smiled, and so I drew her up closer, this time to my face”.

This cannot be the Nick “of the moment”, in real time but the Nick after all events of that summer had run their course, and Jordan had dumped him, and it stung him. I cannot believe that the Nick “in real time” ever used, or would have used words like “wan” and “scornful” to describe a young lady that he had the hots for. That phraseology could only have come from a Nick who had had a chance to sort it all out, turn it over in his mind, let it brew awhile and only then find a way to write frankly about so personal a matter. The Nick in real time seems not able to do this.

 Further consideration
Author: L. Swilley (---.houston.res.rr.com)
Date:   05-21-05 16:46

Catherine wrote:
>
> L. Swilley wrote:
> >
> > ananda wrote:
> > >
> > > Mr. Swilley,
> > >
> > > What's the difference between 1) what Nick experienced at
> the
> > > moment he reports and 4) what Nick thinks about it in the
> > > present of his telling???
> > >
> > > ananda
> >
> > ===============================
> >
> > Yes, they can be the same. On the other hand,
> >
> > Example: "She walked across the room" ( 1) Nick's
> > experience of the moment)
> >
> > "I admired her as she walked across the
> > room." (Nick's report of his reaction at the time of his
> > experience. )
> >
> > "I was foolish enough to admire her as
> > she....etc." ( 4) Nick's current opinion of his former
> > reaction to the experience.
> >
> > L. Swilley
>
> I am trying very hard to apply your rules about the Nick in
> “real time” as opposed to the different Nick back home after
> he has thought many deep thoughts and they have gelled and it
> is all sorted out.
>
> For example, would you please examine with me the coda of
> Chapter IV, where Nick writes years after it happened:
>
> “…and so I drew up the girl beside me, tightening my arms.
> Her wan, scornful mouth smiled, and so I drew her up closer,
> this time to my face”.
>
> This cannot be the Nick “of the moment”, in real time but the
> Nick after all events of that summer had run their course,
> and Jordan had dumped him, and it stung him. I cannot
> believe that the Nick “in real time” ever used, or would have
> used words like “wan” and “scornful” to describe a young lady
> that he had the hots for. That phraseology could only have
> come from a Nick who had had a chance to sort it all out,
> turn it over in his mind, let it brew awhile and only then
> find a way to write frankly about so personal a matter. The
> Nick in real time seems not able to do this.

===============================================

I stand corrected inasmuch as EVERYTHING Nick (or any narrator) reports must be reported from a point in time beyond all the events.( In the case of stories told through letters or diary-entries, each one can provide a new narrator-terminal perspective on all that has gone before: The last entry is particularly definitive.) Then, beyond all that is the perspective of the author.

The narrator can tell us what he sensed (saw, heard, etc.), then he can tell us how he sensed it at the time of the sensing("I feared...I thought...I admired...etc."), then he can tell us what he now thinks of what he sensed in the past (e.g., your illustration of Jordan's "wan, scornful mouth)..

Does that cover all the possibilities?

 Re: Further consideration - oops!
Author: L. Swilley (---.houston.res.rr.com)
Date:   05-21-05 16:55

L. Swilley wrote:
>

> I stand corrected inasmuch as EVERYTHING Nick (or any
> narrator) reports must be reported from a point in time
> beyond all the events.( In the case of stories told through
> letters or diary-entries, each one can provide a new
> narrator-terminal perspective on all that has gone before:
> The last entry is particularly definitive.) Then, beyond all
> that is the perspective of the author.
>
> The narrator can tell us what he sensed (saw, heard,
> etc.), then he can tell us how he sensed it at the time of
> the sensing("I feared...I thought...I admired...etc."),. HE CAN TELL US WHAT HE THOUGHT LATER ABOUT THE SENSING (INCLUDING A JUDGEMENT MADE LATER OR IN THE "NOW" OF THE TELLING ABOUT HOW HE OUGHT TO HAVE THOUGHT OR REACTED ABOUT SOMETHING) then
> he can tell us what he now thinks of what he sensed in the
> past (e.g., your illustration of Jordan's "wan, scornful
> mouth)..

(SOME OF THESE PROBABLY OVERLAP. [THOSE DREADFUL SUBJUNCTIVES!])
>
> Does that cover all the possibilities?

 A Response to You
Author: Catherine (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date:   05-21-05 21:21

L. Swilley wrote:
>
> L. Swilley wrote:
> >
>
> > I stand corrected inasmuch as EVERYTHING Nick (or any
> > narrator) reports must be reported from a point in time
> > beyond all the events.( In the case of stories told through
> > letters or diary-entries, each one can provide a new
> > narrator-terminal perspective on all that has gone before:
> > The last entry is particularly definitive.) Then, beyond all
> > that is the perspective of the author.
> >
> > The narrator can tell us what he sensed (saw, heard,
> > etc.), then he can tell us how he sensed it at the time of
> > the sensing("I feared...I thought...I admired...etc."),. HE
> CAN TELL US WHAT HE THOUGHT LATER ABOUT THE SENSING
> (INCLUDING A JUDGEMENT MADE LATER OR IN THE "NOW" OF THE
> TELLING ABOUT HOW HE OUGHT TO HAVE THOUGHT OR REACTED ABOUT
> SOMETHING) then
> > he can tell us what he now thinks of what he sensed in the
> > past (e.g., your illustration of Jordan's "wan, scornful
> > mouth)..
>
> (SOME OF THESE PROBABLY OVERLAP. [THOSE DREADFUL
> SUBJUNCTIVES!])
> >
> > Does that cover all the possibilities?

I think you have covered it very well, and you seem to see it maybe better than Mary and I are trying to do it.

Then you must see, like I try to, two time frames, the one in which the story happened and the one where the narrator later tries to make it real so that when you, the reader reads them for the first time if the author does it good enough they are as real as they can ever be to you.

But always, it seems there is that perspective that the author and actually the narrator has when looking back and trying to bring it into clear focus. In reading Conrad's Nig*ger of the Narcissus, which delighted me, and afterwards the preface that I always save for last I found it Conrad had written: "My task which I am trying to achieve is, by the power of the written word to make you hear, to make you feel - it is before all, to make you SEE. That-- and no more, and it is everything. If I succeed, you shall find these according to your deserts: encouragement, consolation, fear--charm--all you demand-- and perhaps, also that glimpse of truth for which you have forgotten to ask”.

Fitzgerald reported that he admired Conrad, and I think that this is what he tried to do when writing Gatsby. He had to do it as Conrad suggested, and to do it right he needed to make it seem like it was happening "right now". But as Mary pointed out, and I am trying to do also is to tell the difference between the Nick "of the moment" and the Nick as Narrator a couple of years later. Mary seems to think that then, only then can we assess Nick completely and judge the actions he took, the things he did and the things he acquiesced to, and understand the relevance of their difference.

 And to You
Author: L. Swilley (---.houston.res.rr.com)
Date:   05-22-05 08:56

Catherine wrote:
>
> Fitzgerald reported that he admired Conrad, and I think that
> this is what he tried to do when writing Gatsby. He had to
> do it as Conrad suggested, and to do it right he needed to
> make it seem like it was happening "right now". But as Mary
> pointed out, and I am trying to do also is to tell the
> difference between the Nick "of the moment" and the Nick as
> Narrator a couple of years later. Mary seems to think that
> then, only then can we assess Nick completely and judge the
> actions he took, the things he did and the things he
> acquiesced to, and understand the relevance of their
> difference.

[Does this help?: The author wants us to see what HE sees about the narrator's experience.That is paramount. He satisfies this need by allowing the narrator to tell his own story, the twists and turns thereof establishing for the author the means of making his (the author's) own point or judgement.

[By the way (and a different point), we should notice that the narrator of N. of N. always identifies himself as "we,"(the crew). That doesn't prevent our seeing a single person as narrator, but it modifies qualitatively all that the single narrator has to say. (Then beyond this is the author's point or "take", which, in the case of this novel, is the splintering then the healing of the unity of the crew through their experience of the N*igger, producing a wound then a scar of tissue stronger than the original "flesh" of their camaraderie. The narrator need not see this, but Conrad certainly does, and we should. )]

[L. Swilley]

 The "We" as Narrator
Author: Catherine (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date:   05-22-05 20:32

> [By the way (and a different point), we should notice
> that the narrator of N. of N. always identifies himself as
> "we,"(the crew). That doesn't prevent our seeing a single
> person as narrator, but it modifies qualitatively all that
> the single narrator has to say. (Then beyond this is the
> author's point or "take", which, in the case of this novel,
> is the splintering then the healing of the unity of the crew
> through their experience of the N*igger, producing a wound
> then a scar of tissue stronger than the original "flesh" of
> their camaraderie. The narrator need not see this, but Conrad
> certainly does, and we should. )]
>
> [L. Swilley]

Excellent point, in the use of the "we" as narrator.

In the same vein, in "A Rose for Emily", Faulkner used well this very same literary device, employing the entire town as the "we" telling the story as narrator.

In this way, the story is not related to the reader as from a single person and her viewpoint; but rather as from the collective townspersons.

Of central note, here, and germane to our discussion as to the “now” and “then” of the story, ARFE, like NOTN relates the collective tale of many, but only after the events have sunken into their collective consciousness and subconsciousness, and then only after they have gossiped about it amongst themselves, perhaps for years, and then filtered it through their system of collective judgment and a position of the entire town (or entire crew of NOTH) has been established and only then is someone selected to tell “their” tale (i.e., not necessarily, not directly the tale of the story’s primary subject – in other words, the story is not that of the subject, but rather that of the town or crew’s reaction to it).

By this means, in ARFE the horror of Emily's actions no longer are a horror to the town, but rather something that happened long ago in a matter-of-fact way in the town, but to the reader reading the story new the horror is real, and when reading it fresh one cannot be frightened by the apparent casual callousness of the narrator.

 The "We" as Narrator
Author: Catherine (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date:   05-22-05 20:48

A correction to the last sentence of my previous posting.

It should have said "...one cannot help but to be frightened by the apparent casual callousness of the narrator".

 Re: A Response to You
Author: john (---.darienps.org)
Date:   05-25-05 12:44

Tell me about the dream

 Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far to
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Date:   08-13-05 17:45

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. --Albert
Einstein

LXIV

When I have seen by Time's fell hand defac'd
The rich-proud cost of outworn buried age;
When sometime lofty towers I see down-raz'd,
And brass eternal slave to mortal rage;
When I have seen the hungry ocean gain
Advantage on the kingdom of the shore,
And the firm soil win of the watery main,
Increasing store with loss, and loss with store;
When I have seen such interchange of state,
Or state itself confounded, to decay;
Ruin hath taught me thus to ruminate--
That Time will come and take my love away.
This thought is as a death which cannot choose
But weep to have, that which it fears to lose.
--William Shakespeare


CXLVIII

O me! what eyes hath Love put in my head,
Which have no correspondence with true sight;
Or, if they have, where is my judgment fled,
That censures falsely what they see aright?
If that be fair whereon my false eyes dote,
What means the world to say it is not so?
If it be not, then love doth well denote
Love's eye is not so true as all men's: no,
How can it? O! how can Love's eye be true,
That is so vexed with watching and with tears?
No marvel then, though I mistake my view;
The sun itself sees not, till heaven clears.
O cunning Love! with tears thou keep'st me blind,
Lest eyes well-seeing thy foul faults should find.
--William Shakespeare

 
LXXVII

Thy glass will show thee how thy beauties wear,
Thy
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Clad in the beauty of a thousand stars.
-Faustus, 1604Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge
is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. --Albert Einstein

CXXXV

Whoever hath her wish, thou hast thy 'Will,'
And 'Will' to boot, and 'Will' in over-plus;
More than enough am I that vex'd thee still,
To thy sweet will making addition thus.
Wilt thou, whose will is large and spacious,
Not once vouchsafe to hide my will in thine?
Shall will in others seem right gracious,
And in my will no fair acceptance shine?
The sea, all water, yet receives rain still,
And in abundance addeth to his store;
So thou, being rich in 'Will,' add to thy 'Will'
One will of mine, to make thy large will more.
Let no unkind 'No' fair beseechers kill;
Think all but one, and me in that one 'Will.'

CXXXVI

If thy soul check thee that I come so near,
Swear to thy blind soul that I was thy 'Will',
And will, thy soul knows, is admitted there;
Thus far for love, my love-suit, sweet, fulfil.
'Will', will fulfil the treasure of thy love,
Ay, fill it full with wills, and my will one.
In things of great receipt with ease we prove
Among a number one is reckon'd none:
Then in the number let me pass untold,
Though in thy store's account I one must be;
For nothing hold me, so it please thee hold
That nothing me, a something sweet to thee:
Make but my name thy love, and love that still,
And then thou lov'st me for my name is 'Will.'

CXXXVII

Thou blind fool, Love, what dost thou to mine eyes,
That they behold, and see not what they see?
They know what beauty is, see where it lies,
Yet what the best is take the worst to be.
If eyes, corrupt by over-partial looks,
Be anchor'd in the bay where all men ride,
Why of eyes' falsehood hast thou forged hooks,
Whereto the judgment of my heart is tied?
Why should my heart think that a several plot,
Which my heart knows the wide world's common place?
Or mine eyes, seeing this, say this is not,
To put fair truth upon so foul a face?
In things right true my heart and eyes have err'd,
And to this false plague are they now transferr'd.
--William Shakespeare

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CLIV

The little Love-god lying once asleep,
Laid by his side his heart-inflaming brand,
Whilst many nymphs that vow'd chaste life to keep
Came tripping by; but in her maiden hand
The fairest votary took up that fire
Which many legions of true hearts had warm'd;
And so the general of hot desire
Was, sleeping, by a virgin hand disarm'd.
This brand she quenched in a cool well by,
Which from Love's fire took heat perpetual,
Growing a bath and healthful remedy,
For men diseas'd; but I, my mistress' thrall,
Came there for cure and this by that I prove,
Love's fire heats water, water cools not love.
--William Shakespeare



Founding Fathers Quotes

Another not unimportant consideration is, that the powers of the general government will be, and indeed must be, principally
employed upon external objects, such as war, peace, negotiations with foreign powers, and foreign commerce. In its internal
operations it can touch but few objects, except to introduce regulations beneficial to the commerce, intercourse, and other
relations, between the states, and to lay taxes for the common good. The powers of the states, on the other hand, extend to
all objects, which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, and liberties, and property of the people, and the
internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the state.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own
reason for existing. --Albert Einstein

 
CXLIX

Canst thou, O cruel! say I love thee not,
When I aga
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had moods in which Christianity looked terribly probable.

- C.S. Lewis, In ReligionDo not let us mistake necessary evils for good.
--C. S. LewisWe know too much, and are convinced of too little. Our literature is a substitute for religion, and so is our religion.
T. S. Eliot

 
LXIII

Against my love shall be as I am now,
With Time's i
Author: Shakespeare (---.ll.iac.es)
Date:   08-25-05 22:50


XIX

Devouring Time, blunt thou the lion's paws,
And make the earth devour her own sweet brood;
Pluck the keen teeth from the fierce tiger's jaws,
And burn the long-liv'd phoenix, in her blood;
Make glad and sorry seasons as thou fleets,
And do whate'er thou wilt, swift-footed Time,
To the wide world and all her fading sweets;
But I forbid thee one most heinous crime:
O! carve not with thy hours my love's fair brow,
Nor draw no lines there with thine antique pen;
Him in thy course untainted do allow
For beauty's pattern to succeeding men.
Yet, do thy worst old Time: despite thy wrong,
My love shall in my verse ever live young.
--William Shakespeare

When we build, let us think that we build forever. -John Ruskin, The Seven Lamps of Architecture, 1849There is no excellent beauty that have not some strangeness in the proportion. -Sir Francis Bacon
Essays, 1625

 
XXVI

Lord of my love, to whom in vassalage
Thy merit hath
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T. S. EliotBeauty itself doth of itself persuade / The eyes of men without an orator.
-Shakespeare, The Rape of Lucrece (1594)

XII

When I do count the clock that tells the time,
And see the brave day sunk in hideous night;
When I behold the violet past prime,
And sable curls, all silvered o'er with white;
When lofty trees I see barren of leaves,
Which erst from heat did canopy the herd,
And summer's green all girded up in sheaves,
Borne on the bier with white and bristly beard,
Then of thy beauty do I question make,
That thou among the wastes of time must go,
Since sweets and beauties do themselves forsake
And die as fast as they see others grow;
And nothing 'gainst Time's scythe can make defence
Save breed, to brave him when he takes thee hence.
--William Shakespeare

  Tis done. We have become a nation. Benjamin Rush, on the ratifi
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LXVII

Ah! wherefore with infection should he live,
And with his presence grace impiety,
That sin by him advantage should achieve,
And lace itself with his society?
Why should false painting imitate his cheek,
And steel dead seeming of his living hue?
Why should poor beauty indirectly seek
Roses of shadow, since his rose is true?
Why should he live, now Nature bankrupt is,
Beggar'd of blood to blush through lively veins?
For she hath no exchequer now but his,
And proud of many, lives upon his gains.
O! him she stores, to show what wealth she had
In days long since, before these last so bad.
--William Shakespeare


XXVII

Weary with toil, I haste me to my bed,
The dear respose for limbs with travel tir'd;
But then begins a journey in my head
To work my mind, when body's work's expired:
For then my thoughts--from far where I abide--
Intend a zealous pilgrimage to thee,
And keep my drooping eyelids open wide,
Looking on darkness which the blind do see:
Save that my soul's imaginary sight
Presents thy shadow to my sightless view,
Which, like a jewel (hung in ghastly night,
Makes black night beauteous, and her old face new.
Lo! thus, by day my limbs, by night my mind,
For thee, and for myself, no quiet find.
--William Shakespeare

Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing. --Albert
Einstein

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T. S. EliotThis is the way the world ends: not with a bang, but a whimper.
T. S. Eliot

CIV

To me, fair friend, you never can be old,
For as you were when first your eye I ey'd,
Such seems your beauty still. Three winters cold,
Have from the forests shook three summers' pride,
Three beauteous springs to yellow autumn turn'd,
In process of the seasons have I seen,
Three April perfumes in three hot Junes burn'd,
Since first I saw you fresh, which yet are green.
Ah! yet doth beauty like a dial-hand,
Steal from his figure, and no pace perceiv'd;
So your sweet hue, which methinks still doth stand,
Hath motion, and mine eye may be deceiv'd:
For fear of which, hear this thou age unbred:
Ere you were born was beauty's summer dead.
--William Shakespeare

 
XXXI

Thy bosom is endeared with all hearts,
Which I by lac
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CIV

To me, fair friend, you never can be old,
For as you were when first your eye I ey'd,
Such seems your beauty still. Three winters cold,
Have from the forests shook three summers' pride,
Three beauteous springs to yellow autumn turn'd,
In process of the seasons have I seen,
Three April perfumes in three hot Junes burn'd,
Since first I saw you fresh, which yet are green.
Ah! yet doth beauty like a dial-hand,
Steal from his figure, and no pace perceiv'd;
So your sweet hue, which methinks still doth stand,
Hath motion, and mine eye may be deceiv'd:
For fear of which, hear this thou age unbred:
Ere you were born was beauty's summer dead.
--William Shakespeare

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own
reason for existing. --Albert Einstein

 What I needed most was to love and to be loved, eager to be caugh
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T. S. Eliot

XII

When I do count the clock that tells the time,
And see the brave day sunk in hideous night;
When I behold the violet past prime,
And sable curls, all silvered o'er with white;
When lofty trees I see barren of leaves,
Which erst from heat did canopy the herd,
And summer's green all girded up in sheaves,
Borne on the bier with white and bristly beard,
Then of thy beauty do I question make,
That thou among the wastes of time must go,
Since sweets and beauties do themselves forsake
And die as fast as they see others grow;
And nothing 'gainst Time's scythe can make defence
Save breed, to brave him when he takes thee hence.
--William Shakespeare

Humankind cannot bear very much reality.
T. S. Eliot

 Equations are more important to me, because politics is for the p
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T. S. EliotFinish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could; some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them
as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your
old nonsense. --Ralph Waldo EmersonIt's strange that words are so inadequate. Yet, like the asthmatic struggling for breath, so the lover must struggle for
words.
T. S. Eliot

 
CXLVIII

O me! what eyes hath Love put in my head,
Which ha
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T. S. EliotOur high respect for a well read person is praise enough for literature.
T. S. Eliot

LXXVII

Thy glass will show thee how thy beauties wear,
Thy dial how thy precious minutes waste;
These vacant leaves thy mind's imprint will bear,
And of this book, this learning mayst thou taste.
The wrinkles which thy glass will truly show
Of mouthed graves will give thee memory;
Thou by thy dial's shady stealth mayst know
Time's thievish progress to eternity.
Look! what thy memory cannot contain,
Commit to these waste blanks, and thou shalt find
Those children nursed, deliver'd from thy brain,
To take a new acquaintance of thy mind.
These offices, so oft as thou wilt look,
Shall profit thee and much enrich thy book.
--William Shakespeare

 Patience: St. Augustine Quotes Patience is the companion of wisdo
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St. Augustine

XXXI

Thy bosom is endeared with all hearts,
Which I by lacking have supposed dead;
And there reigns Love, and all Love's loving parts,
And all those friends which I thought buried.
How many a holy and obsequious tear
Hath dear religious love stol'n from mine eye,
As interest of the dead, which now appear
But things remov'd that hidden in thee lie!
Thou art the grave where buried love doth live,
Hung with the trophies of my lovers gone,
Who all their parts of me to thee did give,
That due of many now is thine alone:
Their images I lov'd, I view in thee,
And thou--all they--hast all the all of me.
--William Shakespeare


XCVII

How like a winter hath my absence been
From thee, the pleasure of the fleeting year!
What freezings have I felt, what dark days seen!
What old December's bareness everywhere!
And yet this time removed was summer's time;
The teeming autumn, big with rich increase,
Bearing the wanton burden of the prime,
Like widow'd wombs after their lords' decease:
Yet this abundant issue seem'd to me
But hope of orphans, and unfather'd fruit;
For summer and his pleasures wait on thee,
And, thou away, the very birds are mute:
Or, if they sing, 'tis with so dull a cheer,
That leaves look pale, dreading the winter's near.
--William Shakespeare

  Founding Fathers Quotes Far from being rivals or enemies, rel
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yet remain lonesome.
T. S. EliotIs not marriage an open question, when it is alleged, from the beginning of the world, that such as are in the institution
wish to get out, and such as are out wish to get in? -- Ralph Emerson

Founding Fathers Quotes

A good government implies two things; first, fidelity to the objects of the government; secondly, a knowledge of the means, by
which those objects can be best attained.
Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833

 God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integra
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that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!
--Albert Einstein

XCV

How sweet and lovely dost thou make the shame
Which, like a canker in the fragrant rose,
Doth spot the beauty of thy budding name!
O! in what sweets dost thou thy sins enclose.
That tongue that tells the story of thy days,
Making lascivious comments on thy sport,
Cannot dispraise, but in a kind of praise;
Naming thy name, blesses an ill report.
O! what a mansion have those vices got
Which for their habitation chose out thee,
Where beauty's veil doth cover every blot
And all things turns to fair that eyes can see!
Take heed, dear heart, of this large privilege;
The hardest knife ill-us'd doth lose his edge.
--William Shakespeare


LXXVIII

So oft have I invoked thee for my Muse,
And found such fair assistance in my verse
As every alien pen hath got my use
And under thee their poesy disperse.
Thine eyes, that taught the dumb on high to sing
And heavy ignorance aloft to fly,
Have added feathers to the learned's wing
And given grace a double majesty.
Yet be most proud of that which I compile,
Whose influence is thine, and born of thee:
In others' works thou dost but mend the style,
And arts with thy sweet graces graced be;
But thou art all my art, and dost advance
As high as learning, my rude ignorance.
--William Shakespeare

 In every work of genius we recognize our own rejected thoughts: t
Author: Hamlet (196.203.63.---)
Date:   09-06-05 22:52


CII

My love is strengthen'd, though more weak in seeming;
I love not less, though less the show appear;
That love is merchandiz'd, whose rich esteeming,
The owner's tongue doth publish every where.
Our love was new, and then but in the spring,
When I was wont to greet it with my lays;
As Philomel in summer's front doth sing,
And stops her pipe in growth of riper days:
Not that the summer is less pleasant now
Than when her mournful hymns did hush the night,
But that wild music burthens every bough,
And sweets grown common lose their dear delight.
Therefore like her, I sometime hold my tongue:
Because I would not dull you with my song.
--William Shakespeare



CXL

Be wise as thou art cruel; do not press
My tongue-tied patience with too much disdain;
Lest sorrow lend me words, and words express
The manner of my pity-wanting pain.
If I might teach thee wit, better it were,
Though not to love, yet, love to tell me so;--
As testy sick men, when their deaths be near,
No news but health from their physicians know;--
For, if I should despair, I should grow mad,
And in my madness might speak ill of thee;
Now this ill-wresting world is grown so bad,
Mad slanderers by mad ears believed be.
That I may not be so, nor thou belied,
Bear thine eyes straight, though thy proud heart go wide.
--William Shakespeare


CXXIII

No, Time, thou shalt not boast that I do change:
Thy pyramids built up with newer might
To me are nothing novel, nothing strange;
They are but dressings of a former sight.
Our dates are brief, and therefore we admire
What thou dost foist upon us that is old;
And rather make them born to our desire
Than think that we before have heard them told.
Thy registers and thee I both defy,
Not wondering at the present nor the past,
For thy records and what we see doth lie,
Made more or less by thy continual haste.
This I do vow and this shall ever be;
I will be true despite thy scythe and thee.
--William Shakespeare

 free slots
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Date:   09-09-05 18:40


XXXI

Thy bosom is endeared with all hearts,
Which I by lacking have supposed dead;
And there reigns Love, and all Love's loving parts,
And all those friends which I thought buried.
How many a holy and obsequious tear
Hath dear religious love stol'n from mine eye,
As interest of the dead, which now appear
But things remov'd that hidden in thee lie!
Thou art the grave where buried love doth live,
Hung with the trophies of my lovers gone,
Who all their parts of me to thee did give,
That due of many now is thine alone:
Their images I lov'd, I view in thee,
And thou--all they--hast all the all of me.
--William Shakespeare

For us, there is only the trying. The rest is not our business.
T. S. Eliot

LX

Like as the waves make towards the pebbled shore,
So do our minutes hasten to their end;
Each changing place with that which goes before,
In sequent toil all forwards do contend.
Nativity, once in the main of light,
Crawls to maturity, wherewith being crown'd,
Crooked eclipses 'gainst his glory fight,
And Time that gave doth now his gift confound.
Time doth transfix the flourish set on youth
And delves the parallels in beauty's brow,
Feeds on the rarities of nature's truth,
And nothing stands but for his scythe to mow:
And yet to times in hope, my verse shall stand.
Praising thy worth, despite his cruel hand.
--William Shakespeare

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XCII

But do thy worst to steal thyself away,
For term of life thou art assured mine;
And life no longer than thy love will stay,
For it depends upon that love of thine.
Then need I not to fear the worst of wrongs,
When in the least of them my life hath end.
I see a better state to me belongs
Than that which on thy humour doth depend:
Thou canst not vex me with inconstant mind,
Since that my life on thy revolt doth lie.
O! what a happy title do I find,
Happy to have thy love, happy to die!
But what's so blessed-fair that fears no blot?
Thou mayst be false, and yet I know it not.
--William Shakespeare

Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing. --Albert
Einstein

II

When forty winters shall besiege thy brow,
And dig deep trenches in thy beauty's field,
Thy youth's proud livery so gazed on now,
Will be a tatter'd weed of small worth held:
Then being asked, where all thy beauty lies,
Where all the treasure of thy lusty days;
To say, within thine own deep sunken eyes,
Were an all-eating shame, and thriftless praise.
How much more praise deserv'd thy beauty's use,
If thou couldst answer 'This fair child of mine
Shall sum my count, and make my old excuse,'
Proving his beauty by succession thine!
This were to be new made when thou art old,
And see thy blood warm when thou feel'st it cold.
--William Shakespeare

 At twenty you have many desires which hide the truth, but beyond
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gift and not as a hard duty. -- Albert EinsteinGreat spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his
intelligence. --Albert Einstein

Founding Fathers Quotes

All good men wish the entire abolition of slavery, as soon as it can take place with safety to the public, and for the lasting
good of the present wretched race of slaves. The only possible step that could be taken towards it by the convention was to
fix a period after which they should not be imported.
Oliver Ellsworth, The Landholder, December 10, 1787

 
XXIV

Mine eye hath play'd the painter and hath stell'd,
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CXXXIII

How oft when thou, my music, music play'st,
Upon that blessed wood whose motion sounds
With thy sweet fingers when thou gently sway'st
The wiry concord that mine ear confounds,
Do I envy those jacks that nimble leap,
To kiss the tender inward of thy hand,
Whilst my poor lips which should that harvest reap,
At the wood's boldness by thee blushing stand!
To be so tickled, they would change their state
And situation with those dancing chips,
O'er whom thy fingers walk with gentle gait,
Making dead wood more bless'd than living lips.
Since saucy jacks so happy are in this,
Give them thy fingers, me thy lips to kiss.
--William Shakespeare

Love: St. Augustine Quotes
He who is filled with love is filled with God himself.I don't believe one grows older. I think that what happens early on in life is that at a certain age one stands still and
stagnates.
T. S. Eliot

 A God. The God. One word can make all the difference in the world
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Love is the beauty of the soul.

CXXXIII

How oft when thou, my music, music play'st,
Upon that blessed wood whose motion sounds
With thy sweet fingers when thou gently sway'st
The wiry concord that mine ear confounds,
Do I envy those jacks that nimble leap,
To kiss the tender inward of thy hand,
Whilst my poor lips which should that harvest reap,
At the wood's boldness by thee blushing stand!
To be so tickled, they would change their state
And situation with those dancing chips,
O'er whom thy fingers walk with gentle gait,
Making dead wood more bless'd than living lips.
Since saucy jacks so happy are in this,
Give them thy fingers, me thy lips to kiss.
--William Shakespeare

Some editors are failed writers, but so are most writers.
T. S. Eliot

 
XXXVI

Let me confess that we two must be twain,
Although o
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CVIII

What's in the brain, that ink may character,
Which hath not figur'd to thee my true spirit?
What's new to speak, what now to register,
That may express my love, or thy dear merit?
Nothing, sweet boy; but yet, like prayers divine,
I must each day say o'er the very same;
Counting no old thing old, thou mine, I thine,
Even as when first I hallow'd thy fair name.
So that eternal love in love's fresh case,
Weighs not the dust and injury of age,
Nor gives to necessary wrinkles place,
But makes antiquity for aye his page;
Finding the first conceit of love there bred,
Where time and outward form would show it dead.
--William Shakespeare

The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.
--Albert EinsteinA person starts to live when he can live outside himself. --Albert
Einstein

 
CXXXIX

O! call not me to justify the wrong
That thy unkind
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XCV

How sweet and lovely dost thou make the shame
Which, like a canker in the fragrant rose,
Doth spot the beauty of thy budding name!
O! in what sweets dost thou thy sins enclose.
That tongue that tells the story of thy days,
Making lascivious comments on thy sport,
Cannot dispraise, but in a kind of praise;
Naming thy name, blesses an ill report.
O! what a mansion have those vices got
Which for their habitation chose out thee,
Where beauty's veil doth cover every blot
And all things turns to fair that eyes can see!
Take heed, dear heart, of this large privilege;
The hardest knife ill-us'd doth lose his edge.
--William Shakespeare

I don't believe one grows older. I think that what happens early on in life is that at a certain age one stands still and
stagnates.
T. S. Eliot

 Beauty, though injurious, hath strange power, After offence retur
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He who is filled with love is filled with God himself.Time hasn't stopped for any troubles, heartaches, or any other malfunctions of this world, so please don't tell me it will
stop for you.

- C.S. Lewis, In TimeThere is in true beauty, as in courage, something which narrow souls cannot dare to admire. -William
Congreve, 1693

 
XLII

That thou hast her it is not all my grief,
And yet it
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XXVI

Lord of my love, to whom in vassalage
Thy merit hath my duty strongly knit,
To thee I send this written embassage,
To witness duty, not to show my wit:
Duty so great, which wit so poor as mine
May make seem bare, in wanting words to show it,
But that I hope some good conceit of thine
In thy soul's thought, all naked, will bestow it:
Till whatsoever star that guides my moving,
Points on me graciously with fair aspect,
And puts apparel on my tatter'd loving,
To show me worthy of thy sweet respect:
Then may I dare to boast how I do love thee;
Till then, not show my head where thou mayst prove me.
--William Shakespeare

Footfalls echo in the memory, down the passage which we did not take, towards the door we never opened Into the
rose-garden.
T. S. Eliot

Founding Fathers Quotes

But the safety of the people of America against dangers from foreign force depends not only on their forbearing to give just
causes of war to other nations, but also on their placing and continuing themselves in such a situation as not to invite
hostility or insult; for it need not be observed that there are pretended as well as just causes of war.
John Jay, Federalist No. 4

 
XXVII

Weary with toil, I haste me to my bed,
The dear resp
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XXVI

Lord of my love, to whom in vassalage
Thy merit hath my duty strongly knit,
To thee I send this written embassage,
To witness duty, not to show my wit:
Duty so great, which wit so poor as mine
May make seem bare, in wanting words to show it,
But that I hope some good conceit of thine
In thy soul's thought, all naked, will bestow it:
Till whatsoever star that guides my moving,
Points on me graciously with fair aspect,
And puts apparel on my tatter'd loving,
To show me worthy of thy sweet respect:
Then may I dare to boast how I do love thee;
Till then, not show my head where thou mayst prove me.
--William Shakespeare


XIX

Devouring Time, blunt thou the lion's paws,
And make the earth devour her own sweet brood;
Pluck the keen teeth from the fierce tiger's jaws,
And burn the long-liv'd phoenix, in her blood;
Make glad and sorry seasons as thou fleets,
And do whate'er thou wilt, swift-footed Time,
To the wide world and all her fading sweets;
But I forbid thee one most heinous crime:
O! carve not with thy hours my love's fair brow,
Nor draw no lines there with thine antique pen;
Him in thy course untainted do allow
For beauty's pattern to succeeding men.
Yet, do thy worst old Time: despite thy wrong,
My love shall in my verse ever live young.
--William Shakespeare


CXXXIII

Beshrew that heart that makes my heart to groan
For that deep wound it gives my friend and me!
Is't not enough to torture me alone,
But slave to slavery my sweet'st friend must be?
Me from myself thy cruel eye hath taken,
And my next self thou harder hast engross'd:
Of him, myself, and thee I am forsaken;
A torment thrice three-fold thus to be cross'd:
Prison my heart in thy steel bosom's ward,
But then my friend's heart let my poor heart bail;
Whoe'er keeps me, let my heart be his guard;
Thou canst not then use rigour in my jail:
And yet thou wilt; for I, being pent in thee,
Perforce am thine, and all that is in me.
--William Shakespeare

 
XLII

That thou hast her it is not all my grief,
And yet it
Author: Shakespeare (205.136.240.---)
Date:   09-18-05 23:27

Anything in any way beautiful derives its beauty from itself, and asks nothing beyond itself. Praise is
no part of it, for nothing is made worse or better by praise. -Marcus Aurelius, Mediations (2nd C.),
4.20, TR. Maxwell Staniforth

Tis done. We have become a nation.
Benjamin Rush, on the ratification of the Constitution, letter to Boudinot, July 9, 1788

Love is the beauty of the soul.
St. Augustine

 roulette
Author: roulette (195.82.6.---)
Date:   09-20-05 01:06

We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place
for the first time.
T. S. Eliot

CXXIX

The expense of spirit in a waste of shame
Is lust in action: and till action, lust
Is perjur'd, murderous, bloody, full of blame,
Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust;
Enjoy'd no sooner but despised straight;
Past reason hunted; and no sooner had,
Past reason hated, as a swallow'd bait,
On purpose laid to make the taker mad:
Mad in pursuit and in possession so;
Had, having, and in quest, to have extreme;
A bliss in proof,-- and prov'd, a very woe;
Before, a joy propos'd; behind a dream.
All this the world well knows; yet none knows well
To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell.
--William Shakespeare


VIII

Music to hear, why hear'st thou music sadly?
Sweets with sweets war not, joy delights in joy:
Why lov'st thou that which thou receiv'st not gladly,
Or else receiv'st with pleasure thine annoy?
If the true concord of well-tuned sounds,
By unions married, do offend thine ear,
They do but sweetly chide thee, who confounds
In singleness the parts that thou shouldst bear.
Mark how one string, sweet husband to another,
Strikes each in each by mutual ordering;
Resembling sire and child and happy mother,
Who, all in one, one pleasing note do sing:
Whose speechless song being many, seeming one,
Sings this to thee: 'Thou single wilt prove none.'

IX

Is it for fear to wet a widow's eye,
That thou consum'st thy self in single life?
Ah! if thou issueless shalt hap to die,
The world will wail thee like a makeless wife;
The world will be thy widow and still weep
That thou no form of thee hast left behind,
When every private widow well may keep
By children's eyes, her husband's shape in mind:
Look! what an unthrift in the world doth spend
Shifts but his place, for still the world enjoys it;
But beauty's waste hath in the world an end,
And kept unused the user so destroys it.
No love toward others in that bosom sits
That on himself such murd'rous shame commits.
--William Shakespeare

 @!#$
Author: @!#$ (---.block.alestra.net.mx)
Date:   09-20-05 16:08

We know too much, and are convinced of too little. Our literature is a substitute for religion, and so is our religion.
T. S. EliotKnowledge: St. Augustine Quotes
Miracles are not contrary to nature, but only contrary to what we know about nature.

CXXXIII

How oft when thou, my music, music play'st,
Upon that blessed wood whose motion sounds
With thy sweet fingers when thou gently sway'st
The wiry concord that mine ear confounds,
Do I envy those jacks that nimble leap,
To kiss the tender inward of thy hand,
Whilst my poor lips which should that harvest reap,
At the wood's boldness by thee blushing stand!
To be so tickled, they would change their state
And situation with those dancing chips,
O'er whom thy fingers walk with gentle gait,
Making dead wood more bless'd than living lips.
Since saucy jacks so happy are in this,
Give them thy fingers, me thy lips to kiss.
--William Shakespeare

 Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of it
Author: Hamlet (---.www-cache.demon.co.uk)
Date:   09-20-05 21:28

Beauty, though injurious, hath strange power,
After offence returning, to regain,
Love once possessed.
Milton, Samson Agonistes (1671)

CXLVII

My love is as a fever longing still,
For that which longer nurseth the disease;
Feeding on that which doth preserve the ill,
The uncertain sickly appetite to please.
My reason, the physician to my love,
Angry that his prescriptions are not kept,
Hath left me, and I desperate now approve
Desire is death, which physic did except.
Past cure I am, now Reason is past care,
And frantic-mad with evermore unrest;
My thoughts and my discourse as madmen's are,
At random from the truth vainly express'd;
For I have sworn thee fair, and thought thee bright,
Who art as black as hell, as dark as night.
--William Shakespeare

Television is a medium of entertainment which permits millions of people to listen to the same joke at the same time, and
yet remain lonesome.
T. S. Eliot

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XCVIII

From you have I been absent in the spring,
When proud-pied April, dress'd in all his trim,
Hath put a spirit of youth in every thing,
That heavy Saturn laugh'd and leap'd with him.
Yet nor the lays of birds, nor the sweet smell
Of different flowers in odour and in hue,
Could make me any summer's story tell,
Or from their proud lap pluck them where they grew:
Nor did I wonder at the lily's white,
Nor praise the deep vermilion in the rose;
They were but sweet, but figures of delight,
Drawn after you, you pattern of all those.
Yet seem'd it winter still, and you away,
As with your shadow I with these did play.
--William Shakespeare

If eyes were made for seeing,
Then beauty is its own excuse for being. -Ralph Waldo EmersonBeauty is a primeval phenomenen, which itself never makes its appearance, but the reflection of which is
visible in a thousand different utterances of the creative mind, and is as various as nature itself. -Goethe, April 18,
1827

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VI

Then let not winter's ragged hand deface,
In thee thy summer, ere thou be distill'd:
Make sweet some vial; treasure thou some place
With beauty's treasure ere it be self-kill'd.
That use is not forbidden usury,
Which happies those that pay the willing loan;
That's for thy self to breed another thee,
Or ten times happier, be it ten for one;
Ten times thy self were happier than thou art,
If ten of thine ten times refigur'd thee:
Then what could death do if thou shouldst depart,
Leaving thee living in posterity?
Be not self-will'd, for thou art much too fair
To be death's conquest and make worms thine heir.
--William Shakespeare

Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings.
Bible

LVII

Being your slave what should I do but tend,
Upon the hours, and times of your desire?
I have no precious time at all to spend;
Nor services to do, till you require.
Nor dare I chide the world-without-end hour,
Whilst I, my sovereign, watch the clock for you,
Nor think the bitterness of absence sour,
When you have bid your servant once adieu;
Nor dare I question with my jealous thought
Where you may be, or your affairs suppose,
But, like a sad slave, stay and think of nought
Save, where you are, how happy you make those.
So true a fool is love, that in your will,
Though you do anything, he thinks no ill.
--William Shakespeare

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XXV

Let those who are in favour with their stars
Of public honour and proud titles boast,
Whilst I, whom fortune of such triumph bars
Unlook'd for joy in that I honour most.
Great princes' favourites their fair leaves spread
But as the marigold at the sun's eye,
And in themselves their pride lies buried,
For at a frown they in their glory die.
The painful warrior famoused for fight,
After a thousand victories once foil'd,
Is from the book of honour razed quite,
And all the rest forgot for which he toil'd:
Then happy I, that love and am belov'd,
Where I may not remove nor be remov'd.
--William Shakespeare


LXXXIII

I never saw that you did painting need,
And therefore to your fair no painting set;
I found, or thought I found, you did exceed
That barren tender of a poet's debt:
And therefore have I slept in your report,
That you yourself, being extant, well might show
How far a modern quill doth come too short,
Speaking of worth, what worth in you doth grow.
This silence for my sin you did impute,
Which shall be most my glory being dumb;
For I impair not beauty being mute,
When others would give life, and bring a tomb.
There lives more life in one of your fair eyes
Than both your poets can in praise devise.
--William Shakespeare


CIV

To me, fair friend, you never can be old,
For as you were when first your eye I ey'd,
Such seems your beauty still. Three winters cold,
Have from the forests shook three summers' pride,
Three beauteous springs to yellow autumn turn'd,
In process of the seasons have I seen,
Three April perfumes in three hot Junes burn'd,
Since first I saw you fresh, which yet are green.
Ah! yet doth beauty like a dial-hand,
Steal from his figure, and no pace perceiv'd;
So your sweet hue, which methinks still doth stand,
Hath motion, and mine eye may be deceiv'd:
For fear of which, hear this thou age unbred:
Ere you were born was beauty's summer dead.
--William Shakespeare

 Beauty is the gift of God. --Aristotle
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LXXXV

My tongue-tied Muse in manners holds her still,
While comments of your praise richly compil'd,
Reserve their character with golden quill,
And precious phrase by all the Muses fil'd.
I think good thoughts, whilst others write good words,
And like unlettered clerk still cry 'Amen'
To every hymn that able spirit affords,
In polish'd form of well-refined pen.
Hearing you praised, I say ''tis so, 'tis true,'
And to the most of praise add something more;
But that is in my thought, whose love to you,
Though words come hindmost, holds his rank before.
Then others, for the breath of words respect,
Me for my dumb thoughts, speaking in effect.
--William Shakespeare


LI

Thus can my love excuse the slow offence
Of my dull bearer when from thee I speed:
From where thou art why should I haste me thence?
Till I return, of posting is no need.
O! what excuse will my poor beast then find,
When swift extremity can seem but slow?
Then should I spur, though mounted on the wind,
In winged speed n:motion shall I know,
Then can no horse with my desire keep pace;
Therefore desire, of perfect'st love being made,
Shall neigh--no dull flesh--in his fiery race;
But love, for love, thus shall excuse my jade,--
'Since from thee going, he went wilful-slow,
Towards thee I'll run, and give him leave to go.'

LII

So am I as the rich, whose blessed key,
Can bring him to his sweet up-locked treasure,
The which he will not every hour survey,
For blunting the fine point of seldom pleasure.
Therefore are feasts so solemn and so rare,
Since, seldom coming in that long year set,
Like stones of worth they thinly placed are,
Or captain jewels in the carcanet.
So is the time that keeps you as my chest,
Or as the wardrobe which the robe doth hide,
To make some special instant special-blest,
By new unfolding his imprison'd pride.
Blessed are you whose worthiness gives scope,
Being had, to triumph; being lacked, to hope.
--William Shakespeare

Nothing lasts except beauty--and I shall create that.
-Thomas Wolfe, Letters to His Mother (1943)

 
XLIX

Against that time, if ever that time come,
When I sha
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I couldn\'t help but say to Mr. Gorbachev just think how easy his task and
mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a
threat to this world from another planet. We\'d find out once and for all
that we really are all human beings here on this earth together.
Ronald Reagan
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, \'Thy will be done,\' and those to whom God says, \'All right, then, have
it your way.\'
C. S. Lewis

It is a medium of entertainment which permits millions of people to listen to the same joke at the same time, and yet
remain
lonesome.
T. S. Eliot



Culture is something that evolves out of the simple, enduring
elements of everyday life; elements most truthfully expressed in the folk
arts and crafts of a nation.
Thor Hansen

 Re: Still Considering
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Love: St. Augustine Quotes
Love is the beauty of the soul.Friendship is unnecessary, like philosophy, like art . . . it has no survival value; rather is one of those things that
give
value to survival.

- C.S. Lewis, In FriendshipHalf of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm. But
the
harm does not interest them.
T. S. Eliot

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Einstein

XXXVII

As a decrepit father takes delight
To see his active child do deeds of youth,
So I, made lame by Fortune's dearest spite,
Take all my comfort of thy worth and truth;
For whether beauty, birth, or wealth, or wit,
Or any of these all, or all, or more,
Entitled in thy parts, do crowned sit,
I make my love engrafted, to this store:
So then I am not lame, poor, nor despis'd,
Whilst that this shadow doth such substance give
That I in thy abundance am suffic'd,
And by a part of all thy glory live.
Look what is best, that best I wish in thee:
This wish I have; then ten times happy me!

XXXVIII

How can my muse want subject to invent,
While thou dost breathe, that pour'st into my verse
Thine own sweet argument, too excellent
For every vulgar paper to rehearse?
O! give thy self the thanks, if aught in me
Worthy perusal stand against thy sight;
For who's so dumb that cannot write to thee,
When thou thy self dost give invention light?
Be thou the tenth Muse, ten times more in worth
Than those old nine which rhymers invocate;
And he that calls on thee, let him bring forth
Eternal numbers to outlive long date.
If my slight muse do please these curious days,
The pain be mine, but thine shall be the praise.
--William Shakespeare

For us, there is only the trying. The rest is not our business.
T. S. Eliot

 God is subtle but he is not malicious. --Albert Einstein
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Beauty is truth, truth is beauty, -that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
John Keats, Ode on a Grecian Urn, 1819

If you think it\'s going to rain, it will.
Clint Eastwood



Founding Fathers Quotes

A feeble executive implies a feeble execution of the government. A feeble execution is but another phrase for a bad execution;
and a government ill executed, whatever may be its theory, must, in practice, be a bad government.
Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833

The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.
--Albert Einstein

 One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the examinati
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milestones,
without signposts. C.S. Lewis

XLIX

Against that time, if ever that time come,
When I shall see thee frown on my defects,
When as thy love hath cast his utmost sum,
Call'd to that audit by advis'd respects;
Against that time when thou shalt strangely pass,
And scarcely greet me with that sun, thine eye,
When love, converted from the thing it was,
Shall reasons find of settled gravity;
Against that time do I ensconce me here,
Within the knowledge of mine own desert,
And this my hand, against my self uprear,
To guard the lawful reasons on thy part:
To leave poor me thou hast the strength of laws,
Since why to love I can allege no cause.
--William Shakespeare

No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain
in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as
first love? --Albert Einstein

 
XVIII

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?
Thou art mo
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stagnates.
T. S. EliotEducation is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned
in school. --Albert EinsteinBeauty is unbearable, drives us to despair, offering us for a minute the glimpse of an eternity that we
should like to stretch out over the whole of time. -Albert Camus

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CXLV

Those lips that Love's own hand did make,
Breathed forth the sound that said 'I hate',
To me that languish'd for her sake:
But when she saw my woeful state,
Straight in her heart did mercy come,
Chiding that tongue that ever sweet
Was us'd in giving gentle doom;
And taught it thus anew to greet;
'I hate' she alter'd with an end,
That followed it as gentle day,
Doth follow night, who like a fiend
From heaven to hell is flown away.
'I hate', from hate away she threw,
And sav'd my life, saying 'not you'.
--William Shakespeare


CI

O truant Muse what shall be thy amends
For thy neglect of truth in beauty dy'd?
Both truth and beauty on my love depends;
So dost thou too, and therein dignified.
Make answer Muse: wilt thou not haply say,
'Truth needs no colour, with his colour fix'd;
Beauty no pencil, beauty's truth to lay;
But best is best, if never intermix'd'?
Because he needs no praise, wilt thou be dumb?
Excuse not silence so, for't lies in thee
To make him much outlive a gilded tomb
And to be prais'd of ages yet to be.
Then do thy office, Muse; I teach thee how
To make him seem long hence as he shows now.
--William Shakespeare


XIV

Not from the stars do I my judgement pluck;
And yet methinks I have astronomy,
But not to tell of good or evil luck,
Of plagues, of dearths, or seasons' quality;
Nor can I fortune to brief minutes tell,
Pointing to each his thunder, rain and wind,
Or say with princes if it shall go well
By oft predict that I in heaven find:
But from thine eyes my knowledge I derive,
And constant stars in them I read such art
As 'Truth and beauty shall together thrive,
If from thyself, to store thou wouldst convert';
Or else of thee this I prognosticate:
'Thy end is truth's and beauty's doom and date.'

XV

When I consider every thing that grows
Holds in perfection but a little moment,
That this huge stage presenteth nought but shows
Whereon the stars in secret influence comment;
When I perceive that men as plants increase,
Cheered and checked even by the self-same sky,
Vaunt in their youthful sap, at height decrease,
And wear their brave state out of memory;
Then the conceit of this inconstant stay
Sets you most rich in youth before my sight,
Where wasteful Time debateth with decay
To change your day of youth to sullied night,
And all in war with Time for love of you,
As he takes from you, I engraft you new.
--William Shakespeare

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is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut. --Albert EinsteinGreat spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.
The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his
intelligence. --Albert Einstein

XC

Then hate me when thou wilt; if ever, now;
Now, while the world is bent my deeds to cross,
Join with the spite of fortune, make me bow,
And do not drop in for an after-loss:
Ah! do not, when my heart hath 'scap'd this sorrow,
Come in the rearward of a conquer'd woe;
Give not a windy night a rainy morrow,
To linger out a purpos'd overthrow.
If thou wilt leave me, do not leave me last,
When other petty griefs have done their spite,
But in the onset come: so shall I taste
At first the very worst of fortune's might;
And other strains of woe, which now seem woe,
Compar'd with loss of thee, will not seem so.
--William Shakespeare

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Do not let us mistake necessary evils for good.
--C. S. LewisThe further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more
certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie
through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but
through striving after rational knowledge. --Albert EinsteinTechnological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological
criminal. --Albert Einstein

While I take inspiration from the past, like most Americans, I live for
the future.
Ronald Reagan

 
II

When forty winters shall besiege thy brow,
And dig deep
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LXXVII

Thy glass will show thee how thy beauties wear,
Thy dial how thy precious minutes waste;
These vacant leaves thy mind's imprint will bear,
And of this book, this learning mayst thou taste.
The wrinkles which thy glass will truly show
Of mouthed graves will give thee memory;
Thou by thy dial's shady stealth mayst know
Time's thievish progress to eternity.
Look! what thy memory cannot contain,
Commit to these waste blanks, and thou shalt find
Those children nursed, deliver'd from thy brain,
To take a new acquaintance of thy mind.
These offices, so oft as thou wilt look,
Shall profit thee and much enrich thy book.
--William Shakespeare

A false enchantment can all too easily last a lifetime.
W. H. Auden

XXI

So is it not with me as with that Muse,
Stirr'd by a painted beauty to his verse,
Who heaven itself for ornament doth use
And every fair with his fair doth rehearse,
Making a couplement of proud compare'
With sun and moon, with earth and sea's rich gems,
With April's first-born flowers, and all things rare,
That heaven's air in this huge rondure hems.
O! let me, true in love, but truly write,
And then believe me, my love is as fair
As any mother's child, though not so bright
As those gold candles fix'd in heaven's air:
Let them say more that like of hearsay well;
I will not praise that purpose not to sell.
--William Shakespeare

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LXI

Is it thy will, thy image should keep open
My heavy eyelids to the weary night?
Dost thou desire my slumbers should be broken,
While shadows like to thee do mock my sight?
Is it thy spirit that thou send\'st from thee
So far from home into my deeds to pry,
To find out shames and idle hours in me,
The scope and tenure of thy jealousy?
O, no! thy love, though much, is not so great:
It is my love that keeps mine eye awake:
Mine own true love that doth my rest defeat,
To play the watchman ever for thy sake:
For thee watch I, whilst thou dost wake elsewhere,
From me far off, with others all too near.
--William Shakespeare



If painting weren\'t so difficult, it wouldn\'t be fun.
Edgar Degas

If the colleges were better, if they really had it, you would need to get the police at the gates to keep order in the
inrushing multitude. See in college how we thwart the natural love of learning by leaving the natural method of teaching
what each wishes to learn, and insisting that you shall learn what you have no taste or capacity for. The college, which
should be a place of delightful labor, is made odious and unhealthy, and the young men are tempted to frivolous amusements
to rally their jaded spirits. I would have the studies elective. Scholarship is to be created not by compulsion, but by
awakening a pure interest in knowledge. The wise instructor accomplishes this by opening to his pupils precisely the
attractions the study has for himself. The marking is a system for schools, not for the college; for boys, not for men; and
it is an ungracious work to put on a professor. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson


CXXIII

No, Time, thou shalt not boast that I do change:
Thy pyramids built up with newer might
To me are nothing novel, nothing strange;
They are but dressings of a former sight.
Our dates are brief, and therefore we admire
What thou dost foist upon us that is old;
And rather make them born to our desire
Than think that we before have heard them told.
Thy registers and thee I both defy,
Not wondering at the present nor the past,
For thy records and what we see doth lie,
Made more or less by thy continual haste.
This I do vow and this shall ever be;
I will be true despite thy scythe and thee.
--William Shakespeare

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He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his
hands and his head is a craftsman. He who works with his hands and his
head and his heart is an artist.
St Fancis of Assisi


XIX

Devouring Time, blunt thou the lion\'s paws,
And make the earth devour her own sweet brood;
Pluck the keen teeth from the fierce tiger\'s jaws,
And burn the long-liv\'d phoenix, in her blood;
Make glad and sorry seasons as thou fleets,
And do whate\'er thou wilt, swift-footed Time,
To the wide world and all her fading sweets;
But I forbid thee one most heinous crime:
O! carve not with thy hours my love\'s fair brow,
Nor draw no lines there with thine antique pen;
Him in thy course untainted do allow
For beauty\'s pattern to succeeding men.
Yet, do thy worst old Time: despite thy wrong,
My love shall in my verse ever live young.
--William Shakespeare

I never can feel certain of any truth but from a clear perception of its Beauty. -John Keats



Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by
vegetation, so let\'s not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough
emission standards from man-made sources.
Ronald Reagan

 Insight: St. Augustine Quotes People travel to wonder at the heig
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XI

As fast as thou shalt wane, so fast thou grow'st,
In one of thine, from that which thou departest;
And that fresh blood which youngly thou bestow'st,
Thou mayst call thine when thou from youth convertest,
Herein lives wisdom, beauty, and increase;
Without this folly, age, and cold decay:
If all were minded so, the times should cease
And threescore year would make the world away.
Let those whom nature hath not made for store,
Harsh, featureless, and rude, barrenly perish:
Look, whom she best endow'd, she gave thee more;
Which bounteous gift thou shouldst in bounty cherish:
She carv'd thee for her seal, and meant thereby,
Thou shouldst print more, not let that copy die.
--William Shakespeare

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without
milestones,
without signposts. C.S. LewisA play should give you something to think about. When I see a play and understand it the first time, then I know it can't
be
much good.
T. S. Eliot

 
LXXXV

My tongue-tied Muse in manners holds her still,
Whil
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CXXXIII

How oft when thou, my music, music play'st,
Upon that blessed wood whose motion sounds
With thy sweet fingers when thou gently sway'st
The wiry concord that mine ear confounds,
Do I envy those jacks that nimble leap,
To kiss the tender inward of thy hand,
Whilst my poor lips which should that harvest reap,
At the wood's boldness by thee blushing stand!
To be so tickled, they would change their state
And situation with those dancing chips,
O'er whom thy fingers walk with gentle gait,
Making dead wood more bless'd than living lips.
Since saucy jacks so happy are in this,
Give them thy fingers, me thy lips to kiss.
--William Shakespeare

Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased.

- C.S. Lewis, In Humanity

XCI

Some glory in their birth, some in their skill,
Some in their wealth, some in their body's force,
Some in their garments though new-fangled ill;
Some in their hawks and hounds, some in their horse;
And every humour hath his adjunct pleasure,
Wherein it finds a joy above the rest:
But these particulars are not my measure,
All these I better in one general best.
Thy love is better than high birth to me,
Richer than wealth, prouder than garments' costs,
Of more delight than hawks and horses be;
And having thee, of all men's pride I boast:
Wretched in this alone, that thou mayst take
All this away, and me most wretchcd make.
--William Shakespeare

 The Nobel is a ticket to one's own funeral. No one has ever done
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T. S. Eliot

CXV

Those lines that I before have writ do lie,
Even those that said I could not love you dearer:
Yet then my judgment knew no reason why
My most full flame should afterwards burn clearer.
But reckoning Time, whose million'd accidents
Creep in 'twixt vows, and change decrees of kings,
Tan sacred beauty, blunt the sharp'st intents,
Divert strong minds to the course of altering things;
Alas! why fearing of Time's tyranny,
Might I not then say, 'Now I love you best,'
When I was certain o'er incertainty,
Crowning the present, doubting of the rest?
Love is a babe, then might I not say so,
To give full growth to that which still doth grow?

CXVI

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O, no! it is an ever-fixed mark,
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come;
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me prov'd,
I never writ, nor no man ever lov'd.
--William Shakespeare

Love: St. Augustine Quotes
Love is the beauty of the soul.

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CXXVII

In the old age black was not counted fair,
Or if it were, it bore not beauty's name;
But now is black beauty's successive heir,
And beauty slander'd with a bastard shame:
For since each hand hath put on Nature's power,
Fairing the foul with Art's false borrowed face,
Sweet beauty hath no name, no holy bower,
But is profan'd, if not lives in disgrace.
Therefore my mistress' eyes are raven black,
Her eyes so suited, and they mourners seem
At such who, not born fair, no beauty lack,
Sland'ring creation with a false esteem:
Yet so they mourn becoming of their woe,
That every tongue says beauty should look so.
--William Shakespeare

If it be the wish of Him in whom all things flourish that my life continue for a few years, I hope to
write of her (Beatrice) that which has never been written of any lady. -Dante on his inspiration for The
Divine ComedyAs far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not
certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.
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T. S. EliotWe can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when
we created them. --Albert Einstein

XIII

O! that you were your self; but, love you are
No longer yours, than you your self here live:
Against this coming end you should prepare,
And your sweet semblance to some other give:
So should that beauty which you hold in lease
Find no determination; then you were
Yourself again, after yourself's decease,
When your sweet issue your sweet form should bear.
Who lets so fair a house fall to decay,
Which husbandry in honour might uphold,
Against the stormy gusts of winter's day
And barren rage of death's eternal cold?
O! none but unthrifts. Dear my love, you know,
You had a father: let your son say so.
--William Shakespeare

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- C.S. Lewis, In NatureWhat we call the beginning is often the end. And to make an end is to make a beginning. The end is where we start from.
T. S. Eliot

Founding Fathers Quotes

An honorable Peace is and always was my first wish! I can take no delight in the effusion of human Blood; but, if this War
should continue, I wish to have the most active part in it.
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inspiration; to breathe with them, mobile and soft in the limberness of our bodies, in our agility, our ability, as it were,
to dance, and yet to stand upright.
T. S. Eliot

XLIX

Against that time, if ever that time come,
When I shall see thee frown on my defects,
When as thy love hath cast his utmost sum,
Call'd to that audit by advis'd respects;
Against that time when thou shalt strangely pass,
And scarcely greet me with that sun, thine eye,
When love, converted from the thing it was,
Shall reasons find of settled gravity;
Against that time do I ensconce me here,
Within the knowledge of mine own desert,
And this my hand, against my self uprear,
To guard the lawful reasons on thy part:
To leave poor me thou hast the strength of laws,
Since why to love I can allege no cause.
--William Shakespeare

We regard God as an airman regards his parachute; it's there for emergencies but he hopes he'll never have to use it.

- C.S. Lewis, In Religion

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--Albert Einstein

III

Look in thy glass and tell the face thou viewest
Now is the time that face should form another;
Whose fresh repair if now thou not renewest,
Thou dost beguile the world, unbless some mother.
For where is she so fair whose unear'd womb
Disdains the tillage of thy husbandry?
Or who is he so fond will be the tomb,
Of his self-love to stop posterity?
Thou art thy mother's glass and she in thee
Calls back the lovely April of her prime;
So thou through windows of thine age shalt see,
Despite of wrinkles this thy golden time.
But if thou live, remember'd not to be,
Die single and thine image dies with thee.
--William Shakespeare


IV

Unthrifty loveliness, why dost thou spend
Upon thy self thy beauty's legacy?
Nature's bequest gives nothing, but doth lend,
And being frank she lends to those are free:
Then, beauteous niggard, why dost thou abuse
The bounteous largess given thee to give?
Profitless usurer, why dost thou use
So great a sum of sums, yet canst not live?
For having traffic with thy self alone,
Thou of thy self thy sweet self dost deceive:
Then how when nature calls thee to be gone,
What acceptable audit canst thou leave?
Thy unused beauty must be tombed with thee,
Which, used, lives th' executor to be.
--William Shakespeare

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LXXI

No longer mourn for me when I am dead
Than you shall hear the surly sullen bell
Give warning to the world that I am fled
From this vile world with vilest worms to dwell:
Nay, if you read this line, remember not
The hand that writ it, for I love you so,
That I in your sweet thoughts would be forgot,
If thinking on me then should make you woe.
O! if,--I say you look upon this verse,
When I perhaps compounded am with clay,
Do not so much as my poor name rehearse;
But let your love even with my life decay;
Lest the wise world should look into your moan,
And mock you with me after I am gone.
--William Shakespeare

What we call the beginning is often the end. And to make an end is to make a beginning. The end is where we start from.
T. S. Eliot

XLVII

Betwixt mine eye and heart a league is took,
And each doth good turns now unto the other:
When that mine eye is famish'd for a look,
Or heart in love with sighs himself doth smother,
With my love's picture then my eye doth feast,
And to the painted banquet bids my heart;
Another time mine eye is my heart's guest,
And in his thoughts of love doth share a part:
So, either by thy picture or my love,
Thy self away, art present still with me;
For thou not farther than my thoughts canst move,
And I am still with them, and they with thee;
Or, if they sleep, thy picture in my sight
Awakes my heart, to heart's and eye's delight.
--William Shakespeare

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A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of
the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be
ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.
Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, February 12, 1779

And his heart was stirred, it felt a father's kindness: such an emotion as the possessor of beauty can
inspire in one who offered himself up in spirit to create beauty. -Thomas Mann, Death in VeniceIn order to form an immaculate member of a flock of sheep one must,
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as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your
old nonsense. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

XIII

O! that you were your self; but, love you are
No longer yours, than you your self here live:
Against this coming end you should prepare,
And your sweet semblance to some other give:
So should that beauty which you hold in lease
Find no determination; then you were
Yourself again, after yourself's decease,
When your sweet issue your sweet form should bear.
Who lets so fair a house fall to decay,
Which husbandry in honour might uphold,
Against the stormy gusts of winter's day
And barren rage of death's eternal cold?
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As our president bears no resemblance to a king so we shall see the Senate has no similitude to nobles. First, not being
hereditary, their collective knowledge, wisdom, and virtue are not precarious. For by these qualities alone are they to obtain
their offices, and they will have none of the peculiar qualities and vices of those men who possess power merely because their
father held it before them.
Tench Coxe, An American Citizen, No.2, September 28, 1787

Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings.
Bible

CVII

Not mine own fears, nor the prophetic soul
Of the wide world dreaming on things to come,
Can yet the lease of my true love control,
Supposed as forfeit to a confin'd doom.
The mortal moon hath her eclipse endur'd,
And the sad augurs mock their own presage;
Incertainties now crown themselves assur'd,
And peace proclaims olives of endless age.
Now with the drops of this most balmy time,
My love looks fresh, and Death to me subscribes,
Since, spite of him, I'll live in this poor rime,
While he insults o'er dull and speechless tribes:
And thou in this shalt find thy monument,
When tyrants' crests and tombs of brass are spent.
--William Shakespeare

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T. S. EliotIt is best, it seems to me, to separate one's inner striving from one's
trade as far as possible. It is not good when one's daily break is tied to
God's special blessing. -- Albert Einstein

LXX

That thou art blam'd shall not be thy defect,
For slander's mark was ever yet the fair;
The ornament of beauty is suspect,
A crow that flies in heaven's sweetest air.
So thou be good, slander doth but approve
Thy worth the greater being woo'd of time;
For canker vice the sweetest buds doth love,
And thou present'st a pure unstained prime.
Thou hast passed by the ambush of young days
Either not assail'd, or victor being charg'd;
Yet this thy praise cannot be so thy praise,
To tie up envy, evermore enlarg'd,
If some suspect of ill mask'd not thy show,
Then thou alone kingdoms of hearts shouldst owe.
--William Shakespeare

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XCIX

The forward violet thus did I chide:
Sweet thief, whence didst thou steal thy sweet that smells,
If not from my love's breath? The purple pride
Which on thy soft cheek for complexion dwells
In my love's veins thou hast too grossly dy'd.
The lily I condemned for thy hand,
And buds of marjoram had stol'n thy hair;
The roses fearfully on thorns did stand,
One blushing shame, another white despair;
A third, nor red nor white, had stol'n of both,
And to his robbery had annex'd thy breath;
But, for his theft, in pride of all his growth
A vengeful canker eat him up to death.
More flowers I noted, yet I none could see,
But sweet, or colour it had stol'n from thee.
--William Shakespeare


II

When forty winters shall besiege thy brow,
And dig deep trenches in thy beauty's field,
Thy youth's proud livery so gazed on now,
Will be a tatter'd weed of small worth held:
Then being asked, where all thy beauty lies,
Where all the treasure of thy lusty days;
To say, within thine own deep sunken eyes,
Were an all-eating shame, and thriftless praise.
How much more praise deserv'd thy beauty's use,
If thou couldst answer 'This fair child of mine
Shall sum my count, and make my old excuse,'
Proving his beauty by succession thine!
This were to be new made when thou art old,
And see thy blood warm when thou feel'st it cold.
--William Shakespeare

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XXIX

When in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes
I all alone beweep my outcast state,
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
And look upon myself, and curse my fate,
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
Featur'd like him, like him with friends possess'd,
Desiring this man's art, and that man's scope,
With what I most enjoy contented least;
Yet in these thoughts my self almost despising,
Haply I think on thee,-- and then my state,
Like to the lark at break of day arising
From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven's gate,;
For thy sweet love remember'd such wealth brings
That then I scorn to change my state with kings.
--William Shakespeare

Though argument does not create conviction, lack of it destroys belief. C.S. Lewis

LXXXI

Or I shall live your epitaph to make,
Or you survive when I in earth am rotten;
From hence your memory death cannot take,
Although in me each part will be forgotten.
Your name from hence immortal life shall have,
Though I, once gone, to all the world must die:
The earth can yield me but a common grave,
When you entombed in men's eyes shall lie.
Your monument shall be my gentle verse,
Which eyes not yet created shall o'er-read;
And tongues to be, your being shall rehearse,
When all the breathers of this world are dead;
You still shall live,--such virtue hath my pen,--
Where breath most breathes, even in the mouths of men.
--William Shakespeare

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- C.S. Lewis, In EducationThe beauty of life, is that you don't have to be modernly beautiful to live it.

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CXXV

Were\'t aught to me I bore the canopy,
With my extern the outward honouring,
Or laid great bases for eternity,
Which proves more short than waste or ruining?
Have I not seen dwellers on form and favour
Lose all and more by paying too much rent
For compound sweet; forgoing simple savour,
Pitiful thrivers, in their gazing spent?
No; let me be obsequious in thy heart,
And take thou my oblation, poor but free,
Which is not mix\'d with seconds, knows no art,
But mutual render, only me for thee.
Hence, thou suborned informer! a true soul
When most impeach\'d, stands least in thy control.
--William Shakespeare



The taxpayer - that\'s someone who works for the federal government but
doesn\'t have to take the civil service examination.
Ronald Reagan


CXXXIII

Beshrew that heart that makes my heart to groan
For that deep wound it gives my friend and me!
Is\'t not enough to torture me alone,
But slave to slavery my sweet\'st friend must be?
Me from myself thy cruel eye hath taken,
And my next self thou harder hast engross\'d:
Of him, myself, and thee I am forsaken;
A torment thrice three-fold thus to be cross\'d:
Prison my heart in thy steel bosom\'s ward,
But then my friend\'s heart let my poor heart bail;
Whoe\'er keeps me, let my heart be his guard;
Thou canst not then use rigour in my jail:
And yet thou wilt; for I, being pent in thee,
Perforce am thine, and all that is in me.
--William Shakespeare



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Ronald Reagan

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XXXV

No more be griev'd at that which thou hast done:
Roses have thorns, and silver fountains mud:
Clouds and eclipses stain both moon and sun,
And loathsome canker lives in sweetest bud.
All men make faults, and even I in this,
Authorizing thy trespass with compare,
Myself corrupting, salving thy amiss,
Excusing thy sins more than thy sins are;
For to thy sensual fault I bring in sense,--
Thy adverse party is thy advocate,--
And 'gainst myself a lawful plea commence:
Such civil war is in my love and hate,
That I an accessary needs must be,
To that sweet thief which sourly robs from me.
--William Shakespeare

I

From fairest creatures we desire increase,
That thereby beauty's rose might never die,
But as the riper should by time decease,
His tender heir might bear his memory:
But thou contracted to thine own bright eyes,
Feed'st thy light's flame with self-substantial fuel,
Making a famine where abundance lies,
Thy self thy foe, to thy sweet self too cruel:
Thou that art now the world's fresh ornament,
And only herald to the gaudy spring,
Within thine own bud buriest thy content,
And tender churl mak'st waste in niggarding:
Pity the world, or else this glutton be,
To eat the world's due, by the grave and thee.
--William Shakespeare


LVI

Sweet love, renew thy force; be it not said
Thy edge should blunter be than appetite,
Which but to-day by feeding is allay'd,
To-morrow sharpened in his former might:
So, love, be thou, although to-day thou fill
Thy hungry eyes, even till they wink with fulness,
To-morrow see again, and do not kill
The spirit of love, with a perpetual dulness.
Let this sad interim like the ocean be
Which parts the shore, where two contracted new
Come daily to the banks, that when they see
Return of love, more blest may be the view;
Or call it winter, which being full of care,
Makes summer's welcome, thrice more wished, more rare.
--William Shakespeare

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as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your
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IV

Unthrifty loveliness, why dost thou spend
Upon thy self thy beauty's legacy?
Nature's bequest gives nothing, but doth lend,
And being frank she lends to those are free:
Then, beauteous niggard, why dost thou abuse
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Then how when nature calls thee to be gone,
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Which, used, lives th' executor to be.
--William Shakespeare

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- C.S. Lewis, In Beauty

LXIX

Those parts of thee that the world's eye doth view
Want nothing that the thought of hearts can mend;
All tongues--the voice of souls--give thee that due,
Uttering bare truth, even so as foes commend.
Thy outward thus with outward praise is crown'd;
But those same tongues, that give thee so thine own,
In other accents do this praise confound
By seeing farther than the eye hath shown.
They look into the beauty of thy mind,
And that in guess they measure by thy deeds;
Then--churls--their thoughts, although their eyes were kind,
To thy fair flower add the rank smell of weeds:
But why thy odour matcheth not thy show,
The soil is this, that thou dost common grow.
--William Shakespeare


CLIV

The little Love-god lying once asleep,
Laid by his side his heart-inflaming brand,
Whilst many nymphs that vow'd chaste life to keep
Came tripping by; but in her maiden hand
The fairest votary took up that fire
Which many legions of true hearts had warm'd;
And so the general of hot desire
Was, sleeping, by a virgin hand disarm'd.
This brand she quenched in a cool well by,
Which from Love's fire took heat perpetual,
Growing a bath and healthful remedy,
For men diseas'd; but I, my mistress' thrall,
Came there for cure and this by that I prove,
Love's fire heats water, water cools not love.
--William Shakespeare

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her eyes raised to the sun-no eagle ever
couls stare so fixed and straight into such light!
-Dante, The Divine Comedy: ParadiseIs not marriage an open question, when it is alleged, from the beginning of the world, that such as are in the institution
wish to get out, and such as are out wish to get in? -- Ralph Emerson

 
CIV

To me, fair friend, you never can be old,
For as you w
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Conception, my boy, fundamental brain work, is what makes all
thedifference in art.
Dante Gabriel Rosetti

If it be the wish of Him in whom all things flourish that my life continue for a few years, I hope to
write of her (Beatrice) that which has never been written of any lady. -Dante on his inspiration for The
Divine Comedy



They see poetry in what I have done. No. I apply my methods, and
that is all there is to it.
Georges Seurat

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XLII

That thou hast her it is not all my grief,
And yet it may be said I loved her dearly;
That she hath thee is of my wailing chief,
A loss in love that touches me more nearly.
Loving offenders thus I will excuse ye:
Thou dost love her, because thou know\'st I love her;
And for my sake even so doth she abuse me,
Suffering my friend for my sake to approve her.
If I lose thee, my loss is my love\'s gain,
And losing her, my friend hath found that loss;
Both find each other, and I lose both twain,
And both for my sake lay on me this cross:
But here\'s the joy; my friend and I are one;
Sweet flattery! then she loves but me alone.
--William Shakespeare

Anything in any way beautiful derives its beauty from itself, and asks nothing beyond itself. Praise is
no part of it, for nothing is made worse or better by praise. -Marcus Aurelius, Mediations (2nd C.),
4.20, TR. Maxwell Staniforth

LIV

O! how much more doth beauty beauteous seem
By that sweet ornament which truth doth give.
The rose looks fair, but fairer we it deem
For that sweet odour, which doth in it live.
The canker blooms have full as deep a dye
As the perfumed tincture of the roses.
Hang on such thorns, and play as wantonly
When summer\'s breath their masked buds discloses:
But, for their virtue only is their show,
They live unwoo\'d, and unrespected fade;
Die to themselves. Sweet roses do not so;
Of their sweet deaths, are sweetest odours made:
And so of you, beauteous and lovely youth,
When that shall vade, by verse distills your truth.
--William Shakespeare

O heart, we are old;
The living beauty is for younger men:
We cannot pay its tribute of wild tears.
-Yeats, W.B., 1918

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CL

O! from what power hast thou this powerful might,
With insufficiency my heart to sway?
To make me give the lie to my true sight,
And swear that brightness doth not grace the day?
Whence hast thou this becoming of things ill,
That in the very refuse of thy deeds
There is such strength and warrantise of skill,
That, in my mind, thy worst all best exceeds?
Who taught thee how to make me love thee more,
The more I hear and see just cause of hate?
O! though I love what others do abhor,
With others thou shouldst not abhor my state:
If thy unworthiness rais'd love in me,
More worthy I to be belov'd of thee.
--William Shakespeare


III

Look in thy glass and tell the face thou viewest
Now is the time that face should form another;
Whose fresh repair if now thou not renewest,
Thou dost beguile the world, unbless some mother.
For where is she so fair whose unear'd womb
Disdains the tillage of thy husbandry?
Or who is he so fond will be the tomb,
Of his self-love to stop posterity?
Thou art thy mother's glass and she in thee
Calls back the lovely April of her prime;
So thou through windows of thine age shalt see,
Despite of wrinkles this thy golden time.
But if thou live, remember'd not to be,
Die single and thine image dies with thee.
--William Shakespeare

Not all of us have to possess earthshaking talent. Just common sense and love will do.
Myrtle Auvil

 Though argument does not create conviction, lack of it destroys b
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minds. --Albert EinsteinLove: St. Augustine Quotes
Love is the beauty of the soul.The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of
thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If
only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker. --Albert Einstein

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St. AugustineThe eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility. --Albert
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LXI

Is it thy will, thy image should keep open
My heavy eyelids to the weary night?
Dost thou desire my slumbers should be broken,
While shadows like to thee do mock my sight?
Is it thy spirit that thou send'st from thee
So far from home into my deeds to pry,
To find out shames and idle hours in me,
The scope and tenure of thy jealousy?
O, no! thy love, though much, is not so great:
It is my love that keeps mine eye awake:
Mine own true love that doth my rest defeat,
To play the watchman ever for thy sake:
For thee watch I, whilst thou dost wake elsewhere,
From me far off, with others all too near.
--William Shakespeare

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War
IV will be fought with sticks and stones. --Albert Einstein

LXVIII

Thus is his cheek the map of days outworn,
When beauty lived and died as flowers do now,
Before these bastard signs of fair were born,
Or durst inhabit on a living brow;
Before the golden tresses of the dead,
The right of sepulchres, were shorn away,
To live a second life on second head;
Ere beauty's dead fleece made another gay:
In him those holy antique hours are seen,
Without all ornament, itself and true,
Making no summer of another's green,
Robbing no old to dress his beauty new;
And him as for a map doth Nature store,
To show false Art what beauty was of yore.
--William Shakespeare

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all shadow ceases to be enjoyed as light.
-John Ruskin, Modern Painters (1843-60)

XXVI

Lord of my love, to whom in vassalage
Thy merit hath my duty strongly knit,
To thee I send this written embassage,
To witness duty, not to show my wit:
Duty so great, which wit so poor as mine
May make seem bare, in wanting words to show it,
But that I hope some good conceit of thine
In thy soul's thought, all naked, will bestow it:
Till whatsoever star that guides my moving,
Points on me graciously with fair aspect,
And puts apparel on my tatter'd loving,
To show me worthy of thy sweet respect:
Then may I dare to boast how I do love thee;
Till then, not show my head where thou mayst prove me.
--William Shakespeare

It is a medium of entertainment which permits millions of people to listen to the same joke at the same time, and yet
remain
lonesome.
T. S. Eliot

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give
value to survival.

- C.S. Lewis, In FriendshipI never think of the future. It comes soon enough. --Albert EinsteinBeauty is the gift of God. --Aristotle

 Now that I am a Christian I do not have moods in which the whole thing
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that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!
--Albert Einstein

CVI

When in the chronicle of wasted time
I see descriptions of the fairest wights,
And beauty making beautiful old rime,
In praise of ladies dead and lovely knights,
Then, in the blazon of sweet beauty's best,
Of hand, of foot, of lip, of eye, of brow,
I see their antique pen would have express'd
Even such a beauty as you master now.
So all their praises are but prophecies
Of this our time, all you prefiguring;
And for they looked but with divining eyes,
They had not skill enough your worth to sing:
For we, which now behold these present days,
Have eyes to wonder, but lack tongues to praise.
--William Shakespeare

Accept the things to which fate binds you, and love the people with whom fate brings you together, but do so with all your
heart.
Marcus Aurelius 121-80 AD, Roman Emperor, Philosopher

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LXXVII

Thy glass will show thee how thy beauties wear,
Thy dial how thy precious minutes waste;
These vacant leaves thy mind's imprint will bear,
And of this book, this learning mayst thou taste.
The wrinkles which thy glass will truly show
Of mouthed graves will give thee memory;
Thou by thy dial's shady stealth mayst know
Time's thievish progress to eternity.
Look! what thy memory cannot contain,
Commit to these waste blanks, and thou shalt find
Those children nursed, deliver'd from thy brain,
To take a new acquaintance of thy mind.
These offices, so oft as thou wilt look,
Shall profit thee and much enrich thy book.
--William Shakespeare

A person starts to live when he can live outside himself. --Albert
Einstein

XCIX

The forward violet thus did I chide:
Sweet thief, whence didst thou steal thy sweet that smells,
If not from my love's breath? The purple pride
Which on thy soft cheek for complexion dwells
In my love's veins thou hast too grossly dy'd.
The lily I condemned for thy hand,
And buds of marjoram had stol'n thy hair;
The roses fearfully on thorns did stand,
One blushing shame, another white despair;
A third, nor red nor white, had stol'n of both,
And to his robbery had annex'd thy breath;
But, for his theft, in pride of all his growth
A vengeful canker eat him up to death.
More flowers I noted, yet I none could see,
But sweet, or colour it had stol'n from thee.
--William Shakespeare

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CXIX

What potions have I drunk of Siren tears,
Distill'd from limbecks foul as hell within,
Applying fears to hopes, and hopes to fears,
Still losing when I saw myself to win!
What wretched errors hath my heart committed,
Whilst it hath thought itself so blessed never!
How have mine eyes out of their spheres been fitted,
In the distraction of this madding fever!
O benefit of ill! now I find true
That better is, by evil still made better;
And ruin'd love, when it is built anew,
Grows fairer than at first, more strong, far greater.
So I return rebuk'd to my content,
And gain by ill thrice more than I have spent.
--William Shakespeare

Accept the things to which fate binds you, and love the people with whom fate brings you together, but do so with all your
heart.
Marcus Aurelius 121-80 AD, Roman Emperor, PhilosopherFinish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could; some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them
as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your
old nonsense. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

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abilities and your failings.
T. S. EliotThis love is silent.
T. S. Eliot

Founding Fathers Quotes

Another not unimportant consideration is, that the powers of the general government will be, and indeed must be, principally
employed upon external objects, such as war, peace, negotiations with foreign powers, and foreign commerce. In its internal
operations it can touch but few objects, except to introduce regulations beneficial to the commerce, intercourse, and other
relations, between the states, and to lay taxes for the common good. The powers of the states, on the other hand, extend to
all objects, which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, and liberties, and property of the people, and the
internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the state.
Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833

 Hitch your wagon to a star. --Ralph Waldo Emerson
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CXXVI

O thou, my lovely boy, who in thy power
Dost hold Time's fickle glass, his fickle hour;
Who hast by waning grown, and therein show'st
Thy lovers withering, as thy sweet self grow'st.
If Nature, sovereign mistress over wrack,
As thou goest onwards, still will pluck thee back,
She keeps thee to this purpose, that her skill
May time disgrace and wretched minutes kill.
Yet fear her, O thou minion of her pleasure!
She may detain, but not still keep, her treasure:
Her audit (though delayed) answered must be,
And her quietus is to render thee.
--William Shakespeare

Patience: St. Augustine Quotes
Patience is the companion of wisdom.Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
--Albert Einstein

 Gravity cannot be held responsible for people falling in love. --
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all shadow ceases to be enjoyed as light.
-John Ruskin, Modern Painters (1843-60)

XCI

Some glory in their birth, some in their skill,
Some in their wealth, some in their body's force,
Some in their garments though new-fangled ill;
Some in their hawks and hounds, some in their horse;
And every humour hath his adjunct pleasure,
Wherein it finds a joy above the rest:
But these particulars are not my measure,
All these I better in one general best.
Thy love is better than high birth to me,
Richer than wealth, prouder than garments' costs,
Of more delight than hawks and horses be;
And having thee, of all men's pride I boast:
Wretched in this alone, that thou mayst take
All this away, and me most wretchcd make.
--William Shakespeare

They are the elect to whom beautiful things mean only Beauty. -Oscar Wild, 1891

 
LIX

If there be nothing new, but that which is
Hath been b
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If you want a guarantee, buy a toaster.
Clint Eastwood


Well, I learned a lot - I went down to Latin America to find out from them
and their views. You\'d be surprised. They\'re all individual countries.
Ronald Reagan


Status quo, you know, is Latin for \'the mess we\'re in\'.
Ronald Reagan
My gaze on Beatrice, hers on Heaven,
In less time than an arrow strikes the mark,
Flies through the air, loosed from its catch, I found
myself in some place where a wondrous thing.
Absorbed all of my mind, and then my lady,
From whom I could not keep my thirst to know,
turned toward me as joyful as her beauty:
Direct your mind and gratitude, she said,
To God, who raised us up to His first star.
-Dante, The Divine Comedy: Paradise

 
LXXXIII

I never saw that you did painting need,
And theref
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LXX

That thou art blam'd shall not be thy defect,
For slander's mark was ever yet the fair;
The ornament of beauty is suspect,
A crow that flies in heaven's sweetest air.
So thou be good, slander doth but approve
Thy worth the greater being woo'd of time;
For canker vice the sweetest buds doth love,
And thou present'st a pure unstained prime.
Thou hast passed by the ambush of young days
Either not assail'd, or victor being charg'd;
Yet this thy praise cannot be so thy praise,
To tie up envy, evermore enlarg'd,
If some suspect of ill mask'd not thy show,
Then thou alone kingdoms of hearts shouldst owe.
--William Shakespeare

It is best, it seems to me, to separate one's inner striving from one's
trade as far as possible. It is not good when one's daily break is tied to
God's special blessing. -- Albert EinsteinI think when we get those moments where things are just too hard to comprehend, there is a whole different world.

- C.S. Lewis, In Places

 
XXV

Let those who are in favour with their stars
Of public
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inrushing multitude. See in college how we thwart the natural love of learning by leaving the natural method of teaching
what each wishes to learn, and insisting that you shall learn what you have no taste or capacity for. The college, which
should be a place of delightful labor, is made odious and unhealthy, and the young men are tempted to frivolous amusements
to rally their jaded spirits. I would have the studies elective. Scholarship is to be created not by compulsion, but by
awakening a pure interest in knowledge. The wise instructor accomplishes this by opening to his pupils precisely the
attractions the study has for himself. The marking is a system for schools, not for the college; for boys, not for men; and
it is an ungracious work to put on a professor. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

CXVII

Accuse me thus: that I have scanted all,
Wherein I should your great deserts repay,
Forgot upon your dearest love to call,
Whereto all bonds do tie me day by day;
That I have frequent been with unknown minds,
And given to time your own dear-purchas'd right;
That I have hoisted sail to all the winds
Which should transport me farthest from your sight.
Book both my wilfulness and errors down,
And on just proof surmise, accumulate;
Bring me within the level of your frown,
But shoot not at me in your waken'd hate;
Since my appeal says I did strive to prove
The constancy and virtue of your love.
--William Shakespeare

A friend might well be reckoned the masterpiece of nature. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Henry David Thoreau
It takes two to speak truth - One to speak, and another to hear.

We regard God as an airman regards his parachute; it\'s there for emergencies but he hopes he\'ll never have to use it.

- C.S. Lewis, In Religion



You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our
children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence
them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness.
Ronald Reagan

The most important thing for poets to do is to write as little as possible.
T. S. Eliot

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LXXXI

Or I shall live your epitaph to make,
Or you survive when I in earth am rotten;
From hence your memory death cannot take,
Although in me each part will be forgotten.
Your name from hence immortal life shall have,
Though I, once gone, to all the world must die:
The earth can yield me but a common grave,
When you entombed in men\'s eyes shall lie.
Your monument shall be my gentle verse,
Which eyes not yet created shall o\'er-read;
And tongues to be, your being shall rehearse,
When all the breathers of this world are dead;
You still shall live,--such virtue hath my pen,--
Where breath most breathes, even in the mouths of men.
--William Shakespeare


CVI

When in the chronicle of wasted time
I see descriptions of the fairest wights,
And beauty making beautiful old rime,
In praise of ladies dead and lovely knights,
Then, in the blazon of sweet beauty\'s best,
Of hand, of foot, of lip, of eye, of brow,
I see their antique pen would have express\'d
Even such a beauty as you master now.
So all their praises are but prophecies
Of this our time, all you prefiguring;
And for they looked but with divining eyes,
They had not skill enough your worth to sing:
For we, which now behold these present days,
Have eyes to wonder, but lack tongues to praise.
--William Shakespeare



Founding Fathers Quotes

But the safety of the people of America against dangers from foreign force depends not only on their forbearing to give just
causes of war to other nations, but also on their placing and continuing themselves in such a situation as not to invite
hostility or insult; for it need not be observed that there are pretended as well as just causes of war.
John Jay, Federalist No. 4

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Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge
is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. --Albert EinsteinIt was a high counsel that I once heard given to a young person, Always do what you are afraid to do. -- Ralph Waldo
Emerson


CXXIX

The expense of spirit in a waste of shame
Is lust in action: and till action, lust
Is perjur\'d, murderous, bloody, full of blame,
Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust;
Enjoy\'d no sooner but despised straight;
Past reason hunted; and no sooner had,
Past reason hated, as a swallow\'d bait,
On purpose laid to make the taker mad:
Mad in pursuit and in possession so;
Had, having, and in quest, to have extreme;
A bliss in proof,-- and prov\'d, a very woe;
Before, a joy propos\'d; behind a dream.
All this the world well knows; yet none knows well
To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell.
--William Shakespeare

A friend might well be reckoned the masterpiece of nature. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Accept the things to which fate binds you, and love the people with whom fate brings you together, but do so with all your
heart.
Marcus Aurelius 121-80 AD, Roman Emperor, PhilosopherA thing of beauty is a joy forever,
Its loveliness increases; it will never
Pass into nothingness; but still will keep
A bower quiet for us, and a sleep
Full of sweet dreams, and health, and quiet breathing.
-John Keats

Do not let us mistake necessary evils for good.
--C. S. Lewis

Love: St. Augustine Quotes
Love is the beauty of the soul.

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And evening here: our hemisphere was dark,
While all the mountain bathed in white, when I
Saw Beatrice turned around, facing left,
her eyes raised to the sun-no eagle ever
couls stare so fixed and straight into such light!
-Dante, The Divine Comedy: ParadiseWhat we call the beginning is often the end. And to make an end is to make a beginning. The end is where we start from.
T. S. Eliot

Founding Fathers Quotes

Besides, to lay and collect internal taxes in this extensive country must require a great number of congressional ordinances,
immediately operation upon the body of the people; these must continually interfere with the state laws and thereby produce
disorder and general dissatisfaction till the one system of laws or the other, operating upon the same subjects, shall be
abolished.
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CIV

To me, fair friend, you never can be old,
For as you were when first your eye I ey'd,
Such seems your beauty still. Three winters cold,
Have from the forests shook three summers' pride,
Three beauteous springs to yellow autumn turn'd,
In process of the seasons have I seen,
Three April perfumes in three hot Junes burn'd,
Since first I saw you fresh, which yet are green.
Ah! yet doth beauty like a dial-hand,
Steal from his figure, and no pace perceiv'd;
So your sweet hue, which methinks still doth stand,
Hath motion, and mine eye may be deceiv'd:
For fear of which, hear this thou age unbred:
Ere you were born was beauty's summer dead.
--William Shakespeare


CLIV

The little Love-god lying once asleep,
Laid by his side his heart-inflaming brand,
Whilst many nymphs that vow'd chaste life to keep
Came tripping by; but in her maiden hand
The fairest votary took up that fire
Which many legions of true hearts had warm'd;
And so the general of hot desire
Was, sleeping, by a virgin hand disarm'd.
This brand she quenched in a cool well by,
Which from Love's fire took heat perpetual,
Growing a bath and healthful remedy,
For men diseas'd; but I, my mistress' thrall,
Came there for cure and this by that I prove,
Love's fire heats water, water cools not love.
--William Shakespeare

Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.
--Albert Einstein

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LXXV

So are you to my thoughts as food to life,
Or as sweet-season'd showers are to the ground;
And for the peace of you I hold such strife
As 'twixt a miser and his wealth is found.
Now proud as an enjoyer, and anon
Doubting the filching age will steal his treasure;
Now counting best to be with you alone,
Then better'd that the world may see my pleasure:
Sometime all full with feasting on your sight,
And by and by clean starved for a look;
Possessing or pursuing no delight,
Save what is had, or must from you be took.
Thus do I pine and surfeit day by day,
Or gluttoning on all, or all away.
--William Shakespeare

Life is too deep for words, so don't try to describe it, just live it.

- C.S. Lewis, In Humanity

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--Albert Einstein

VIII

Music to hear, why hear'st thou music sadly?
Sweets with sweets war not, joy delights in joy:
Why lov'st thou that which thou receiv'st not gladly,
Or else receiv'st with pleasure thine annoy?
If the true concord of well-tuned sounds,
By unions married, do offend thine ear,
They do but sweetly chide thee, who confounds
In singleness the parts that thou shouldst bear.
Mark how one string, sweet husband to another,
Strikes each in each by mutual ordering;
Resembling sire and child and happy mother,
Who, all in one, one pleasing note do sing:
Whose speechless song being many, seeming one,
Sings this to thee: 'Thou single wilt prove none.'

IX

Is it for fear to wet a widow's eye,
That thou consum'st thy self in single life?
Ah! if thou issueless shalt hap to die,
The world will wail thee like a makeless wife;
The world will be thy widow and still weep
That thou no form of thee hast left behind,
When every private widow well may keep
By children's eyes, her husband's shape in mind:
Look! what an unthrift in the world doth spend
Shifts but his place, for still the world enjoys it;
But beauty's waste hath in the world an end,
And kept unused the user so destroys it.
No love toward others in that bosom sits
That on himself such murd'rous shame commits.
--William Shakespeare

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XLIV

If the dull substance of my flesh were thought,
Injurious distance should not stop my way;
For then despite of space I would be brought,
From limits far remote, where thou dost stay.
No matter then although my foot did stand
Upon the farthest earth remov'd from thee;
For nimble thought can jump both sea and land,
As soon as think the place where he would be.
But, ah! thought kills me that I am not thought,
To leap large lengths of miles when thou art gone,
But that so much of earth and water wrought,
I must attend, time's leisure with my moan;
Receiving nought by elements so slow
But heavy tears, badges of either's woe.
--William Shakespeare


LXXXIX

Say that thou didst forsake me for some fault,
And I will comment upon that offence:
Speak of my lameness, and I straight will halt,
Against thy reasons making no defence.
Thou canst not love disgrace me half so ill,
To set a form upon desired change,
As I'll myself disgrace; knowing thy will,
I will acquaintance strangle, and look strange;
Be absent from thy walks; and in my tongue
Thy sweet beloved name no more shall dwell,
Lest I, too much profane, should do it wrong,
And haply of our old acquaintance tell.
For thee, against my self I'll vow debate,
For I must ne'er love him whom thou dost hate.
--William Shakespeare

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LIX

If there be nothing new, but that which is
Hath been before, how are our brains beguil'd,
Which labouring for invention bear amiss
The second burthen of a former child!
O! that record could with a backward look,
Even of five hundred courses of the sun,
Show me your image in some antique book,
Since mind at first in character was done!
That I might see what the old world could say
To this composed wonder of your frame;
Wh'r we are mended, or wh'r better they,
Or whether revolution be the same.
O! sure I am the wits of former days,
To subjects worse have given admiring praise.
--William Shakespeare

Playwriting gets into your blood and you can't stop it. At least not until the producers or the public tell you to.
T. S. EliotSo long as they don't get violent, I want to let everyone say what they
wish, for I myself have always said exactly what pleased me. -- Albert
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People travel to wonder at the height of mountains, at the huge waves of the sea, at the long courses of rivers, at the vast
compass of the ocean, at the circular motion of the stars; and they pass by themselves without wondering.


CXL

Be wise as thou art cruel; do not press
My tongue-tied patience with too much disdain;
Lest sorrow lend me words, and words express
The manner of my pity-wanting pain.
If I might teach thee wit, better it were,
Though not to love, yet, love to tell me so;--
As testy sick men, when their deaths be near,
No news but health from their physicians know;--
For, if I should despair, I should grow mad,
And in my madness might speak ill of thee;
Now this ill-wresting world is grown so bad,
Mad slanderers by mad ears believed be.
That I may not be so, nor thou belied,
Bear thine eyes straight, though thy proud heart go wide.
--William Shakespeare



Founding Fathers Quotes

Another not unimportant consideration is, that the powers of the general government will be, and indeed must be, principally
employed upon external objects, such as war, peace, negotiations with foreign powers, and foreign commerce. In its internal
operations it can touch but few objects, except to introduce regulations beneficial to the commerce, intercourse, and other
relations, between the states, and to lay taxes for the common good. The powers of the states, on the other hand, extend to
all objects, which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, and liberties, and property of the people, and the
internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the state.
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To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I did not take the oath I have just taken
with the intention of presiding over the dissolution of the world\'s
strongest economy.
Ronald Reagan


What we have found in this country, and maybe we\'re more aware of it now,
is one problem that we\'ve had, even in the best of times, and that is the
people who are sleeping on the grates, the homeless, you might say, by
choice.
Ronald Reagan


LXI

Is it thy will, thy image should keep open
My heavy eyelids to the weary night?
Dost thou desire my slumbers should be broken,
While shadows like to thee do mock my sight?
Is it thy spirit that thou send\'st from thee
So far from home into my deeds to pry,
To find out shames and idle hours in me,
The scope and tenure of thy jealousy?
O, no! thy love, though much, is not so great:
It is my love that keeps mine eye awake:
Mine own true love that doth my rest defeat,
To play the watchman ever for thy sake:
For thee watch I, whilst thou dost wake elsewhere,
From me far off, with others all too near.
--William Shakespeare



Architecture is inhabited sculpture.
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XXVII

Weary with toil, I haste me to my bed,
The dear respose for limbs with travel tir'd;
But then begins a journey in my head
To work my mind, when body's work's expired:
For then my thoughts--from far where I abide--
Intend a zealous pilgrimage to thee,
And keep my drooping eyelids open wide,
Looking on darkness which the blind do see:
Save that my soul's imaginary sight
Presents thy shadow to my sightless view,
Which, like a jewel (hung in ghastly night,
Makes black night beauteous, and her old face new.
Lo! thus, by day my limbs, by night my mind,
For thee, and for myself, no quiet find.
--William Shakespeare

The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without
milestones,
without signposts. C.S. LewisBeauty itself doth of itself persuade / The eyes of men without an orator.
-Shakespeare, The Rape of Lucrece (1594)

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- C.S. Lewis, In Religion

XXXII

If thou survive my well-contented day,
When that churl Death my bones with dust shall cover
And shalt by fortune once more re-survey
These poor rude lines of thy deceased lover,
Compare them with the bett'ring of the time,
And though they be outstripp'd by every pen,
Reserve them for my love, not for their rhyme,
Exceeded by the height of happier men.
O! then vouchsafe me but this loving thought:
'Had my friend's Muse grown with this growing age,
A dearer birth than this his love had brought,
To march in ranks of better equipage:
But since he died and poets better prove,
Theirs for their style I'll read, his for his love'.
--William Shakespeare

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LXXIII

That time of year thou mayst in me behold
When yellow leaves, or none, or few, do hang
Upon those boughs which shake against the cold,
Bare ruin\'d choirs, where late the sweet birds sang.
In me thou see\'st the twilight of such day
As after sunset fadeth in the west;
Which by and by black night doth take away,
Death\'s second self, that seals up all in rest.
In me thou see\'st the glowing of such fire,
That on the ashes of his youth doth lie,
As the death-bed, whereon it must expire,
Consum\'d with that which it was nourish\'d by.
This thou perceiv\'st, which makes thy love more strong,
To love that well, which thou must leave ere long.
--William Shakespeare

This love is silent.
T. S. Eliot

XXIII

As an unperfect actor on the stage,
Who with his fear is put beside his part,
Or some fierce thing replete with too much rage,
Whose strength\'s abundance weakens his own heart;
So I, for fear of trust, forget to say
The perfect ceremony of love\'s rite,
And in mine own love\'s strength seem to decay,
O\'ercharg\'d with burthen of mine own love\'s might.
O! let my looks be then the eloquence
And dumb presagers of my speaking breast,
Who plead for love, and look for recompense,
More than that tongue that more hath more express\'d.
O! learn to read what silent love hath writ:
To hear with eyes belongs to love\'s fine wit.
--William Shakespeare

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior
spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive
with our frail and feeble mind. --Albert Einstein

 
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in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as
first love? --Albert EinsteinAfter I wrote this sonnet there appeared to me a miraculous vision in which I saw things that made me
resolve to say no more about this blessed one until I should be capable of writing about her in a nobler
way. -Dante on his inspiration for The Divine Comedy, after falling short of Beatrice's splendor in the
Vita Nuova

CVI

When in the chronicle of wasted time
I see descriptions of the fairest wights,
And beauty making beautiful old rime,
In praise of ladies dead and lovely knights,
Then, in the blazon of sweet beauty's best,
Of hand, of foot, of lip, of eye, of brow,
I see their antique pen would have express'd
Even such a beauty as you master now.
So all their praises are but prophecies
Of this our time, all you prefiguring;
And for they looked but with divining eyes,
They had not skill enough your worth to sing:
For we, which now behold these present days,
Have eyes to wonder, but lack tongues to praise.
--William Shakespeare

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XLI

Those pretty wrongs that liberty commits,
When I am sometime absent from thy heart,
Thy beauty, and thy years full well befits,
For still temptation follows where thou art.
Gentle thou art, and therefore to be won,
Beauteous thou art, therefore to be assail'd;
And when a woman woos, what woman's son
Will sourly leave her till he have prevail'd?
Ay me! but yet thou mightst my seat forbear,
And chide thy beauty and thy straying youth,
Who lead thee in their riot even there
Where thou art forced to break a twofold truth:--
Hers by thy beauty tempting her to thee,
Thine by thy beauty being false to me.
--William Shakespeare


CXXV

Were't aught to me I bore the canopy,
With my extern the outward honouring,
Or laid great bases for eternity,
Which proves more short than waste or ruining?
Have I not seen dwellers on form and favour
Lose all and more by paying too much rent
For compound sweet; forgoing simple savour,
Pitiful thrivers, in their gazing spent?
No; let me be obsequious in thy heart,
And take thou my oblation, poor but free,
Which is not mix'd with seconds, knows no art,
But mutual render, only me for thee.
Hence, thou suborned informer! a true soul
When most impeach'd, stands least in thy control.
--William Shakespeare

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As our president bears no resemblance to a king so we shall see the Senate has no similitude to nobles. First, not being
hereditary, their collective knowledge, wisdom, and virtue are not precarious. For by these qualities alone are they to obtain
their offices, and they will have none of the peculiar qualities and vices of those men who possess power merely because their
father held it before them.
Tench Coxe, An American Citizen, No.2, September 28, 1787


CXLVI

Poor soul, the centre of my sinful earth,
My sinful earth these rebel powers array,
Why dost thou pine within and suffer dearth,
Painting thy outward walls so costly gay?
Why so large cost, having so short a lease,
Dost thou upon thy fading mansion spend?
Shall worms, inheritors of this excess,
Eat up thy charge? Is this thy body's end?
Then soul, live thou upon thy servant's loss,
And let that pine to aggravate thy store;
Buy terms divine in selling hours of dross;
Within be fed, without be rich no more:
So shall thou feed on Death, that feeds on men,
And Death once dead, there's no more dying then.
--William Shakespeare

The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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T. S. Eliot

Conversation in real life is full of half-finished sentences and
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CXLV

Those lips that Love's own hand did make,
Breathed forth the sound that said 'I hate',
To me that languish'd for her sake:
But when she saw my woeful state,
Straight in her heart did mercy come,
Chiding that tongue that ever sweet
Was us'd in giving gentle doom;
And taught it thus anew to greet;
'I hate' she alter'd with an end,
That followed it as gentle day,
Doth follow night, who like a fiend
From heaven to hell is flown away.
'I hate', from hate away she threw,
And sav'd my life, saying 'not you'.
--William Shakespeare

Every poem can be considered in two ways--as what the poet has to say, and as a thing which he makes.
C. S. Lewis, A preface to Paradise Lost

CXXXIII

Beshrew that heart that makes my heart to groan
For that deep wound it gives my friend and me!
Is't not enough to torture me alone,
But slave to slavery my sweet'st friend must be?
Me from myself thy cruel eye hath taken,
And my next self thou harder hast engross'd:
Of him, myself, and thee I am forsaken;
A torment thrice three-fold thus to be cross'd:
Prison my heart in thy steel bosom's ward,
But then my friend's heart let my poor heart bail;
Whoe'er keeps me, let my heart be his guard;
Thou canst not then use rigour in my jail:
And yet thou wilt; for I, being pent in thee,
Perforce am thine, and all that is in me.
--William Shakespeare

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XIII

O! that you were your self; but, love you are
No longer yours, than you your self here live:
Against this coming end you should prepare,
And your sweet semblance to some other give:
So should that beauty which you hold in lease
Find no determination; then you were
Yourself again, after yourself's decease,
When your sweet issue your sweet form should bear.
Who lets so fair a house fall to decay,
Which husbandry in honour might uphold,
Against the stormy gusts of winter's day
And barren rage of death's eternal cold?
O! none but unthrifts. Dear my love, you know,
You had a father: let your son say so.
--William Shakespeare

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T. S. EliotPlaywriting gets into your blood and you can't stop it. At least not until the producers or the public tell you to.
T. S. Eliot

CXXXIX

O! call not me to justify the wrong
That thy unkindness lays upon my heart;
Wound me not with thine eye, but with thy tongue:
Use power with power, and slay me not by art,
Tell me thou lov'st elsewhere; but in my sight,
Dear heart, forbear to glance thine eye aside:
What need'st thou wound with cunning, when thy might
Is more than my o'erpress'd defence can bide?
Let me excuse thee: ah! my love well knows
Her pretty looks have been mine enemies;
And therefore from my face she turns my foes,
That they elsewhere might dart their injuries:
Yet do not so; but since I am near slain,
Kill me outright with looks, and rid my pain.
--William Shakespeare

 
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XXXV

No more be griev'd at that which thou hast done:
Roses have thorns, and silver fountains mud:
Clouds and eclipses stain both moon and sun,
And loathsome canker lives in sweetest bud.
All men make faults, and even I in this,
Authorizing thy trespass with compare,
Myself corrupting, salving thy amiss,
Excusing thy sins more than thy sins are;
For to thy sensual fault I bring in sense,--
Thy adverse party is thy advocate,--
And 'gainst myself a lawful plea commence:
Such civil war is in my love and hate,
That I an accessary needs must be,
To that sweet thief which sourly robs from me.
--William Shakespeare

Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could; some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them
as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; you shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your
old nonsense. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

CXXXIII

Beshrew that heart that makes my heart to groan
For that deep wound it gives my friend and me!
Is't not enough to torture me alone,
But slave to slavery my sweet'st friend must be?
Me from myself thy cruel eye hath taken,
And my next self thou harder hast engross'd:
Of him, myself, and thee I am forsaken;
A torment thrice three-fold thus to be cross'd:
Prison my heart in thy steel bosom's ward,
But then my friend's heart let my poor heart bail;
Whoe'er keeps me, let my heart be his guard;
Thou canst not then use rigour in my jail:
And yet thou wilt; for I, being pent in thee,
Perforce am thine, and all that is in me.
--William Shakespeare

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Miracles are not contrary to nature, but only contrary to what we know about nature.

CXX

That you were once unkind befriends me now,
And for that sorrow, which I then did feel,
Needs must I under my transgression bow,
Unless my nerves were brass or hammer'd steel.
For if you were by my unkindness shaken,
As I by yours, you've pass'd a hell of time;
And I, a tyrant, have no leisure taken
To weigh how once I suffer'd in your crime.
O! that our night of woe might have remember'd
My deepest sense, how hard true sorrow hits,
And soon to you, as you to me, then tender'd
The humble salve, which wounded bosoms fits!
But that your trespass now becomes a fee;
Mine ransoms yours, and yours must ransom me.
--William Shakespeare

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The beauty of life, is that you don't have to be modernly beautiful to live it.

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libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans
themselves. --Albert EinsteinTime hasn't stopped for any troubles, heartaches, or any other malfunctions of this world, so please don't tell me it will
stop for you.

- C.S. Lewis, In TimeThe further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more
certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie
through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but
through striving after rational knowledge. --Albert Einstein

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Love is the beauty of the soul.
St. AugustineNow he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That
means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the
distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly
persistent illusion. --Albert EinsteinHe who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the
spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be
done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all
this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds
than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing
under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder. --Albert Einstein

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--Albert EinsteinThe greatest homage to truth is to use it. -Ralph Waldo Emerson

CXLIV

Two loves I have of comfort and despair,
Which like two spirits do suggest me still:
The better angel is a man right fair,
The worser spirit a woman colour'd ill.
To win me soon to hell, my female evil,
Tempteth my better angel from my side,
And would corrupt my saint to be a devil,
Wooing his purity with her foul pride.
And whether that my angel be turn'd fiend,
Suspect I may, yet not directly tell;
But being both from me, both to each friend,
I guess one angel in another's hell:
Yet this shall I ne'er know, but live in doubt,
Till my bad angel fire my good one out.
--William Shakespeare

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The last temptation is the greatest treason: to do the right deed for the wrong reason.
T. S. Eliot

Before I refuse to take your questions, I have an opening statement.
Ronald Reagan

Nothing lasts except beauty--and I shall create that.
-Thomas Wolfe, Letters to His Mother (1943)

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XXXIII

Full many a glorious morning have I seen
Flatter the mountain tops with sovereign eye,
Kissing with golden face the meadows green,
Gilding pale streams with heavenly alchemy;
Anon permit the basest clouds to ride
With ugly rack on his celestial face,
And from the forlorn world his visage hide,
Stealing unseen to west with this disgrace:
Even so my sun one early morn did shine,
With all triumphant splendour on my brow;
But out! alack! he was but one hour mine,
The region cloud hath mask'd him from me now.
Yet him for this my love no whit disdaineth;
Suns of the world may stain when heaven's sun staineth.
--William Shakespeare


LXXXVII

Farewell! thou art too dear for my possessing,
And like enough thou know'st thy estimate,
The charter of thy worth gives thee releasing;
My bonds in thee are all determinate.
For how do I hold thee but by thy granting?
And for that riches where is my deserving?
The cause of this fair gift in me is wanting,
And so my patent back again is swerving.
Thy self thou gav'st, thy own worth then not knowing,
Or me to whom thou gav'st it, else mistaking;
So thy great gift, upon misprision growing,
Comes home again, on better judgement making.
Thus have I had thee, as a dream doth flatter,
In sleep a king, but waking no such matter.
--William Shakespeare


LXXXVI

Was it the proud full sail of his great verse,
Bound for the prize of all too precious you,
That did my ripe thoughts in my brain inhearse,
Making their tomb the womb wherein they grew?
Was it his spirit, by spirits taught to write,
Above a mortal pitch, that struck me dead?
No, neither he, nor his compeers by night
Giving him aid, my verse astonished.
He, nor that affable familiar ghost
Which nightly gulls him with intelligence,
As victors of my silence cannot boast;
I was not sick of any fear from thence:
But when your countenance fill'd up his line,
Then lacked I matter; that enfeebled mine.
--William Shakespeare

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-Tolstoy, Leo

LXVI

Tired with all these, for restful death I cry,
As to behold desert a beggar born,
And needy nothing trimm'd in jollity,
And purest faith unhappily forsworn,
And gilded honour shamefully misplac'd,
And maiden virtue rudely strumpeted,
And right perfection wrongfully disgrac'd,
And strength by limping sway disabled
And art made tongue-tied by authority,
And folly--doctor-like--controlling skill,
And simple truth miscall'd simplicity,
And captive good attending captain ill:
Tir'd with all these, from these would I be gone,
Save that, to die, I leave my love alone.
--William Shakespeare

Time hasn't stopped for any troubles, heartaches, or any other malfunctions of this world, so please don't tell me it will
stop for you.

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A play should give you something to think about. When I see a play and understand it the first time, then I know it can\'t
be
much good.
T. S. Eliot

Peace is not the absence of conflict, it is the ability to handle conflict
by peaceful means.
Ronald Reagan

Tis not a lip or eye we beauty call, But the joint force and full result of all.
-Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism, 1711

I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice. --Albert Einstein

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source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed. --Albert Einstein

CX

Alas! 'tis true, I have gone here and there,
And made my self a motley to the view,
Gor'd mine own thoughts, sold cheap what is most dear,
Made old offences of affections new;
Most true it is, that I have look'd on truth
Askance and strangely; but, by all above,
These blenches gave my heart another youth,
And worse essays prov'd thee my best of love.
Now all is done, save what shall have no end:
Mine appetite I never more will grind
On newer proof, to try an older friend,
A god in love, to whom I am confin'd.
Then give me welcome, next my heaven the best,
Even to thy pure and most most loving breast.
--William Shakespeare


LIV

O! how much more doth beauty beauteous seem
By that sweet ornament which truth doth give.
The rose looks fair, but fairer we it deem
For that sweet odour, which doth in it live.
The canker blooms have full as deep a dye
As the perfumed tincture of the roses.
Hang on such thorns, and play as wantonly
When summer's breath their masked buds discloses:
But, for their virtue only is their show,
They live unwoo'd, and unrespected fade;
Die to themselves. Sweet roses do not so;
Of their sweet deaths, are sweetest odours made:
And so of you, beauteous and lovely youth,
When that shall vade, by verse distills your truth.
--William Shakespeare

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heart.
Marcus Aurelius 121-80 AD, Roman Emperor, Philosopher

CXLVI

Poor soul, the centre of my sinful earth,
My sinful earth these rebel powers array,
Why dost thou pine within and suffer dearth,
Painting thy outward walls so costly gay?
Why so large cost, having so short a lease,
Dost thou upon thy fading mansion spend?
Shall worms, inheritors of this excess,
Eat up thy charge? Is this thy body's end?
Then soul, live thou upon thy servant's loss,
And let that pine to aggravate thy store;
Buy terms divine in selling hours of dross;
Within be fed, without be rich no more:
So shall thou feed on Death, that feeds on men,
And Death once dead, there's no more dying then.
--William Shakespeare


XXXI

Thy bosom is endeared with all hearts,
Which I by lacking have supposed dead;
And there reigns Love, and all Love's loving parts,
And all those friends which I thought buried.
How many a holy and obsequious tear
Hath dear religious love stol'n from mine eye,
As interest of the dead, which now appear
But things remov'd that hidden in thee lie!
Thou art the grave where buried love doth live,
Hung with the trophies of my lovers gone,
Who all their parts of me to thee did give,
That due of many now is thine alone:
Their images I lov'd, I view in thee,
And thou--all they--hast all the all of me.
--William Shakespeare

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Founding Fathers Quotes

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power
in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force
superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.
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XLIII

When most I wink, then do mine eyes best see,
For all the day they view things unrespected;
But when I sleep, in dreams they look on thee,
And darkly bright, are bright in dark directed.
Then thou, whose shadow shadows doth make bright,
How would thy shadow's form form happy show
To the clear day with thy much clearer light,
When to unseeing eyes thy shade shines so!
How would, I say, mine eyes be blessed made
By looking on thee in the living day,
When in dead night thy fair imperfect shade
Through heavy sleep on sightless eyes doth stay!
All days are nights to see till I see thee,
And nights bright days when dreams do show thee me.
--William Shakespeare


CXLVI

Poor soul, the centre of my sinful earth,
My sinful earth these rebel powers array,
Why dost thou pine within and suffer dearth,
Painting thy outward walls so costly gay?
Why so large cost, having so short a lease,
Dost thou upon thy fading mansion spend?
Shall worms, inheritors of this excess,
Eat up thy charge? Is this thy body's end?
Then soul, live thou upon thy servant's loss,
And let that pine to aggravate thy store;
Buy terms divine in selling hours of dross;
Within be fed, without be rich no more:
So shall thou feed on Death, that feeds on men,
And Death once dead, there's no more dying then.
--William Shakespeare


XXXI

Thy bosom is endeared with all hearts,
Which I by lacking have supposed dead;
And there reigns Love, and all Love's loving parts,
And all those friends which I thought buried.
How many a holy and obsequious tear
Hath dear religious love stol'n from mine eye,
As interest of the dead, which now appear
But things remov'd that hidden in thee lie!
Thou art the grave where buried love doth live,
Hung with the trophies of my lovers gone,
Who all their parts of me to thee did give,
That due of many now is thine alone:
Their images I lov'd, I view in thee,
And thou--all they--hast all the all of me.
--William Shakespeare

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And it is no less true, that personal security and private property rest entirely upon the wisdom, the stability, and the
integrity of the courts of justice.
Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833



So I said to myself-I\'ll paint what I see-what the flower is to me
but I\'ll paint it big and they will be surprised into taking the time to
look at it. I will make even busy New Yorkers take time to see what I see
of flowers. Georgia O\'Keeffe 1887-1986

An election is coming. Universal peace is declared and the foxes have a sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the
poultry.
T. S. Eliot


CXIX

What potions have I drunk of Siren tears,
Distill\'d from limbecks foul as hell within,
Applying fears to hopes, and hopes to fears,
Still losing when I saw myself to win!
What wretched errors hath my heart committed,
Whilst it hath thought itself so blessed never!
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In the distraction of this madding fever!
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That better is, by evil still made better;
And ruin\'d love, when it is built anew,
Grows fairer than at first, more strong, far greater.
So I return rebuk\'d to my content,
And gain by ill thrice more than I have spent.
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CII

My love is strengthen'd, though more weak in seeming;
I love not less, though less the show appear;
That love is merchandiz'd, whose rich esteeming,
The owner's tongue doth publish every where.
Our love was new, and then but in the spring,
When I was wont to greet it with my lays;
As Philomel in summer's front doth sing,
And stops her pipe in growth of riper days:
Not that the summer is less pleasant now
Than when her mournful hymns did hush the night,
But that wild music burthens every bough,
And sweets grown common lose their dear delight.
Therefore like her, I sometime hold my tongue:
Because I would not dull you with my song.
--William Shakespeare

Mortal lovers must not try to remain at the first step; for lasting passion is the dream of a harlot and from it we wake in
despair.
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All great change in America begins at the dinner table.
Ronald Reagan


LXXI

No longer mourn for me when I am dead
Than you shall hear the surly sullen bell
Give warning to the world that I am fled
From this vile world with vilest worms to dwell:
Nay, if you read this line, remember not
The hand that writ it, for I love you so,
That I in your sweet thoughts would be forgot,
If thinking on me then should make you woe.
O! if,--I say you look upon this verse,
When I perhaps compounded am with clay,
Do not so much as my poor name rehearse;
But let your love even with my life decay;
Lest the wise world should look into your moan,
And mock you with me after I am gone.
--William Shakespeare



Entrepreneurs and their small enterprises are responsible for almost all
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Art flourishes where there is a sense of adventure.
Alfred North Whitehead

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T. S. EliotThe glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the
spiritual inspiration that comes to one when he discovers that someone else believes in him and is willing to trust him with
his friendship. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

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LI

Thus can my love excuse the slow offence
Of my dull bearer when from thee I speed:
From where thou art why should I haste me thence?
Till I return, of posting is no need.
O! what excuse will my poor beast then find,
When swift extremity can seem but slow?
Then should I spur, though mounted on the wind,
In winged speed n:motion shall I know,
Then can no horse with my desire keep pace;
Therefore desire, of perfect'st love being made,
Shall neigh--no dull flesh--in his fiery race;
But love, for love, thus shall excuse my jade,--
'Since from thee going, he went wilful-slow,
Towards thee I'll run, and give him leave to go.'

LII

So am I as the rich, whose blessed key,
Can bring him to his sweet up-locked treasure,
The which he will not every hour survey,
For blunting the fine point of seldom pleasure.
Therefore are feasts so solemn and so rare,
Since, seldom coming in that long year set,
Like stones of worth they thinly placed are,
Or captain jewels in the carcanet.
So is the time that keeps you as my chest,
Or as the wardrobe which the robe doth hide,
To make some special instant special-blest,
By new unfolding his imprison'd pride.
Blessed are you whose worthiness gives scope,
Being had, to triumph; being lacked, to hope.
--William Shakespeare

Footfalls echo in the memory, down the passage which we did not take, towards the door we never opened Into the
rose-garden.
T. S. EliotAny poet, if he is to survive beyond his 25th year, must alter; he must seek new literary influences; he will have
different
emotions to express.
T. S. Eliot

 
LXXII

O! lest the world should task you to recite
What mer
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That time of year thou mayst in me behold
When yellow leaves, or none, or few, do hang
Upon those boughs which shake against the cold,
Bare ruin'd choirs, where late the sweet birds sang.
In me thou see'st the twilight of such day
As after sunset fadeth in the west;
Which by and by black night doth take away,
Death's second self, that seals up all in rest.
In me thou see'st the glowing of such fire,
That on the ashes of his youth doth lie,
As the death-bed, whereon it must expire,
Consum'd with that which it was nourish'd by.
This thou perceiv'st, which makes thy love more strong,
To love that well, which thou must leave ere long.
--William Shakespeare

What does love look like? It has the hands to help others. It has the feet to hasten to the poor and needy. It has eyes to
see misery and want. It has the ears to hear the sighs and sorrows of men. That is what love looks like.
St. Augustine 354-430, Numidian-born Bishop of Hippo, Theologian

CII

My love is strengthen'd, though more weak in seeming;
I love not less, though less the show appear;
That love is merchandiz'd, whose rich esteeming,
The owner's tongue doth publish every where.
Our love was new, and then but in the spring,
When I was wont to greet it with my lays;
As Philomel in summer's front doth sing,
And stops her pipe in growth of riper days:
Not that the summer is less pleasant now
Than when her mournful hymns did hush the night,
But that wild music burthens every bough,
And sweets grown common lose their dear delight.
Therefore like her, I sometime hold my tongue:
Because I would not dull you with my song.
--William Shakespeare

 
LXXXV

My tongue-tied Muse in manners holds her still,
Whil
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To reget deeply is to live afresh.



It\'s difficult to believe that people are still starving in this country
because food isn\'t available.
Ronald Reagan


Nature is not only all that is visible to the eye -- it also
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Edvard Munch

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Ronald Reagan


Women at that time were supposed to look pretty and throw little
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Louise Nevelson


I don\'t believe in pessimism. If something doesn\'t come up the way you
want, forge ahead. If you think it\'s going to rain, it will.
Clint Eastwood

Every child in America should be acquainted with his own country. He should read books that furnish him with ideas that will
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CXI

O! for my sake do you with Fortune chide,
The guilty goddess of my harmful deeds,
That did not better for my life provide
Than public means which public manners breeds.
Thence comes it that my name receives a brand,
And almost thence my nature is subdu'd
To what it works in, like the dyer's hand:
Pity me, then, and wish I were renew'd;
Whilst, like a willing patient, I will drink,
Potions of eisel 'gainst my strong infection;
No bitterness that I will bitter think,
Nor double penance, to correct correction.
Pity me then, dear friend, and I assure ye,
Even that your pity is enough to cure me.
--William Shakespeare

Every poem can be considered in two ways--as what the poet has to say, and as a thing which he makes.
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T. S. Eliot

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XLVI

Mine eye and heart are at a mortal war,
How to divide the conquest of thy sight;
Mine eye my heart thy picture's sight would bar,
My heart mine eye the freedom of that right.
My heart doth plead that thou in him dost lie,--
A closet never pierc'd with crystal eyes--
But the defendant doth that plea deny,
And says in him thy fair appearance lies.
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A quest of thoughts, all tenants to the heart;
And by their verdict is determined
The clear eye's moiety, and the dear heart's part:
As thus; mine eye's due is thy outward part,
And my heart's right, thy inward love of heart.
--William Shakespeare


XX

A woman's face with nature's own hand painted,
Hast thou, the master mistress of my passion;
A woman's gentle heart, but not acquainted
With shifting change, as is false women's fashion:
An eye more bright than theirs, less false in rolling,
Gilding the object whereupon it gazeth;
A man in hue all 'hues' in his controlling,
Which steals men's eyes and women's souls amazeth.
And for a woman wert thou first created;
Till Nature, as she wrought thee, fell a-doting,
And by addition me of thee defeated,
By adding one thing to my purpose nothing.
But since she prick'd thee out for women's pleasure,
Mine be thy love and thy love's use their treasure.
--William Shakespeare


CXXV

Were't aught to me I bore the canopy,
With my extern the outward honouring,
Or laid great bases for eternity,
Which proves more short than waste or ruining?
Have I not seen dwellers on form and favour
Lose all and more by paying too much rent
For compound sweet; forgoing simple savour,
Pitiful thrivers, in their gazing spent?
No; let me be obsequious in thy heart,
And take thou my oblation, poor but free,
Which is not mix'd with seconds, knows no art,
But mutual render, only me for thee.
Hence, thou suborned informer! a true soul
When most impeach'd, stands least in thy control.
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The emotions are sometimes so strong that I work without knowing
it. The strokes come like speech.
Vincent Van Gogh


CX

Alas! \'tis true, I have gone here and there,
And made my self a motley to the view,
Gor\'d mine own thoughts, sold cheap what is most dear,
Made old offences of affections new;
Most true it is, that I have look\'d on truth
Askance and strangely; but, by all above,
These blenches gave my heart another youth,
And worse essays prov\'d thee my best of love.
Now all is done, save what shall have no end:
Mine appetite I never more will grind
On newer proof, to try an older friend,
A god in love, to whom I am confin\'d.
Then give me welcome, next my heaven the best,
Even to thy pure and most most loving breast.
--William Shakespeare



Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats
believe every day is April 15.
Ronald Reagan


XXI

So is it not with me as with that Muse,
Stirr\'d by a painted beauty to his verse,
Who heaven itself for ornament doth use
And every fair with his fair doth rehearse,
Making a couplement of proud compare\'
With sun and moon, with earth and sea\'s rich gems,
With April\'s first-born flowers, and all things rare,
That heaven\'s air in this huge rondure hems.
O! let me, true in love, but truly write,
And then believe me, my love is as fair
As any mother\'s child, though not so bright
As those gold candles fix\'d in heaven\'s air:
Let them say more that like of hearsay well;
I will not praise that purpose not to sell.
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Our difficulties of the moment must always be dealt with somehow, but our permanent difficulties are difficulties of every
moment.
T. S. EliotThe Holy Ghost was working through me on this film, and I was just
direction traffic. Mel GibsonIt\'s strange that words are so inadequate. Yet, like the asthmatic struggling for breath, so the lover must struggle for
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T. S. Eliot

IV

Unthrifty loveliness, why dost thou spend
Upon thy self thy beauty's legacy?
Nature's bequest gives nothing, but doth lend,
And being frank she lends to those are free:
Then, beauteous niggard, why dost thou abuse
The bounteous largess given thee to give?
Profitless usurer, why dost thou use
So great a sum of sums, yet canst not live?
For having traffic with thy self alone,
Thou of thy self thy sweet self dost deceive:
Then how when nature calls thee to be gone,
What acceptable audit canst thou leave?
Thy unused beauty must be tombed with thee,
Which, used, lives th' executor to be.
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Television is a medium of entertainment which permits millions of people to listen to the same joke at the same time, and
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CXXVII

In the old age black was not counted fair,
Or if it were, it bore not beauty's name;
But now is black beauty's successive heir,
And beauty slander'd with a bastard shame:
For since each hand hath put on Nature's power,
Fairing the foul with Art's false borrowed face,
Sweet beauty hath no name, no holy bower,
But is profan'd, if not lives in disgrace.
Therefore my mistress' eyes are raven black,
Her eyes so suited, and they mourners seem
At such who, not born fair, no beauty lack,
Sland'ring creation with a false esteem:
Yet so they mourn becoming of their woe,
That every tongue says beauty should look so.
--William Shakespeare

Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological
criminal. --Albert Einstein

XXXIV

Why didst thou promise such a beauteous day,
And make me travel forth without my cloak,
To let base clouds o'ertake me in my way,
Hiding thy bravery in their rotten smoke?
'Tis not enough that through the cloud thou break,
To dry the rain on my storm-beaten face,
For no man well of such a salve can speak,
That heals the wound, and cures not the disgrace:
Nor can thy shame give physic to my grief;
Though thou repent, yet I have still the loss:
The offender's sorrow lends but weak relief
To him that bears the strong offence's cross.
Ah! but those tears are pearl which thy love sheds,
And they are rich and ransom all ill deeds.
--William Shakespeare

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LX

Like as the waves make towards the pebbled shore,
So do our minutes hasten to their end;
Each changing place with that which goes before,
In sequent toil all forwards do contend.
Nativity, once in the main of light,
Crawls to maturity, wherewith being crown\'d,
Crooked eclipses \'gainst his glory fight,
And Time that gave doth now his gift confound.
Time doth transfix the flourish set on youth
And delves the parallels in beauty\'s brow,
Feeds on the rarities of nature\'s truth,
And nothing stands but for his scythe to mow:
And yet to times in hope, my verse shall stand.
Praising thy worth, despite his cruel hand.
--William Shakespeare



Architecture is inhabited sculpture.
Constantin Brancusi

CXLIX

Canst thou, O cruel! say I love thee not,
When I against myself with thee partake?
Do I not think on thee, when I forgot
Am of my self, all tyrant, for thy sake?
Who hateth thee that I do call my friend,
On whom frown\'st thou that I do fawn upon,
Nay, if thou lour\'st on me, do I not spend
Revenge upon myself with present moan?
What merit do I in my self respect,
That is so proud thy service to despise,
When all my best doth worship thy defect,
Commanded by the motion of thine eyes?
But, love, hate on, for now I know thy mind,;
Those that can see thou lov\'st, and I am blind.
--William Shakespeare



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things, but their inward significance.
Aristotle

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XVI

But wherefore do not you a mightier way
Make war upon this bloody tyrant, Time?
And fortify your self in your decay
With means more blessed than my barren rhyme?
Now stand you on the top of happy hours,
And many maiden gardens, yet unset,
With virtuous wish would bear you living flowers,
Much liker than your painted counterfeit:
So should the lines of life that life repair,
Which this, Time's pencil, or my pupil pen,
Neither in inward worth nor outward fair,
Can make you live your self in eyes of men.
To give away yourself, keeps yourself still,
And you must live, drawn by your own sweet skill.
--William Shakespeare

Poetry should help, not only to refine the language of the time, but to prevent it from changing too rapidly.
T. S. Eliot

XC

Then hate me when thou wilt; if ever, now;
Now, while the world is bent my deeds to cross,
Join with the spite of fortune, make me bow,
And do not drop in for an after-loss:
Ah! do not, when my heart hath 'scap'd this sorrow,
Come in the rearward of a conquer'd woe;
Give not a windy night a rainy morrow,
To linger out a purpos'd overthrow.
If thou wilt leave me, do not leave me last,
When other petty griefs have done their spite,
But in the onset come: so shall I taste
At first the very worst of fortune's might;
And other strains of woe, which now seem woe,
Compar'd with loss of thee, will not seem so.
--William Shakespeare

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XLIII

When most I wink, then do mine eyes best see,
For all the day they view things unrespected;
But when I sleep, in dreams they look on thee,
And darkly bright, are bright in dark directed.
Then thou, whose shadow shadows doth make bright,
How would thy shadow's form form happy show
To the clear day with thy much clearer light,
When to unseeing eyes thy shade shines so!
How would, I say, mine eyes be blessed made
By looking on thee in the living day,
When in dead night thy fair imperfect shade
Through heavy sleep on sightless eyes doth stay!
All days are nights to see till I see thee,
And nights bright days when dreams do show thee me.
--William Shakespeare

Equations are more important to me, because politics is for the present,
but an equation is something for eternity. --Albert Einstein

CVIII

What's in the brain, that ink may character,
Which hath not figur'd to thee my true spirit?
What's new to speak, what now to register,
That may express my love, or thy dear merit?
Nothing, sweet boy; but yet, like prayers divine,
I must each day say o'er the very same;
Counting no old thing old, thou mine, I thine,
Even as when first I hallow'd thy fair name.
So that eternal love in love's fresh case,
Weighs not the dust and injury of age,
Nor gives to necessary wrinkles place,
But makes antiquity for aye his page;
Finding the first conceit of love there bred,
Where time and outward form would show it dead.
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LXXX

O! how I faint when I of you do write,
Knowing a better spirit doth use your name,
And in the praise thereof spends all his might,
To make me tongue-tied speaking of your fame!
But since your worth--wide as the ocean is,--
The humble as the proudest sail doth bear,
My saucy bark, inferior far to his,
On your broad main doth wilfully appear.
Your shallowest help will hold me up afloat,
Whilst he upon your soundless deep doth ride;
Or, being wrack\'d, I am a worthless boat,
He of tall building, and of goodly pride:
Then if he thrive and I be cast away,
The worst was this,--my love was my decay.
--William Shakespeare



I hope with all my heart that there will be painting in heaven.
Jean-Baptiste Camille Corot
Art is I; Science is We.


Claude Bernard


V

Those hours, that with gentle work did frame
The lovely gaze where every eye doth dwell,
Will play the tyrants to the very same
And that unfair which fairly doth excel;
For never-resting time leads summer on
To hideous winter, and confounds him there;
Sap checked with frost, and lusty leaves quite gone,
Beauty o\'er-snowed and bareness every where:
Then were not summer\'s distillation left,
A liquid prisoner pent in walls of glass,
Beauty\'s effect with beauty were bereft,
Nor it, nor no remembrance what it was:
But flowers distill\'d, though they with winter meet,
Leese but their show; their substance still lives sweet.
--William Shakespeare


LXIX

Those parts of thee that the world\'s eye doth view
Want nothing that the thought of hearts can mend;
All tongues--the voice of souls--give thee that due,
Uttering bare truth, even so as foes commend.
Thy outward thus with outward praise is crown\'d;
But those same tongues, that give thee so thine own,
In other accents do this praise confound
By seeing farther than the eye hath shown.
They look into the beauty of thy mind,
And that in guess they measure by thy deeds;
Then--churls--their thoughts, although their eyes were kind,
To thy fair flower add the rank smell of weeds:
But why thy odour matcheth not thy show,
The soil is this, that thou dost common grow.
--William Shakespeare

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should like to stretch out over the whole of time. -Albert Camus


LXXIX

Whilst I alone did call upon thy aid,
My verse alone had all thy gentle grace;
But now my gracious numbers are decay\'d,
And my sick Muse doth give an other place.
I grant, sweet love, thy lovely argument
Deserves the travail of a worthier pen;
Yet what of thee thy poet doth invent
He robs thee of, and pays it thee again.
He lends thee virtue, and he stole that word
From thy behaviour; beauty doth he give,
And found it in thy cheek: he can afford
No praise to thee, but what in thee doth live.
Then thank him not for that which he doth say,
Since what he owes thee, thou thyself dost pay.
--William Shakespeare

There is no method but to be very intelligent.
T. S. Eliot



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Walt Disney, when his work was displayed at the Metropolitan
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There is no method but to be very intelligent.
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Let us ask ourselves; What kind of people do we think we are?
Ronald Reagan

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LXXIV

But be contented: when that fell arrest
Without all bail shall carry me away,
My life hath in this line some interest,
Which for memorial still with thee shall stay.
When thou reviewest this, thou dost review
The very part was consecrate to thee:
The earth can have but earth, which is his due;
My spirit is thine, the better part of me:
So then thou hast but lost the dregs of life,
The prey of worms, my body being dead;
The coward conquest of a wretch's knife,
Too base of thee to be remembered,.
The worth of that is that which it contains,
And that is this, and this with thee remains.
--William Shakespeare

O heart, we are old;
The living beauty is for younger men:
We cannot pay its tribute of wild tears.
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Beshrew that heart that makes my heart to groan
For that deep wound it gives my friend and me!
Is\'t not enough to torture me alone,
But slave to slavery my sweet\'st friend must be?
Me from myself thy cruel eye hath taken,
And my next self thou harder hast engross\'d:
Of him, myself, and thee I am forsaken;
A torment thrice three-fold thus to be cross\'d:
Prison my heart in thy steel bosom\'s ward,
But then my friend\'s heart let my poor heart bail;
Whoe\'er keeps me, let my heart be his guard;
Thou canst not then use rigour in my jail:
And yet thou wilt; for I, being pent in thee,
Perforce am thine, and all that is in me.
--William Shakespeare

Every hero becomes a bore at last. --Ralph Waldo Emerson


XLI

Those pretty wrongs that liberty commits,
When I am sometime absent from thy heart,
Thy beauty, and thy years full well befits,
For still temptation follows where thou art.
Gentle thou art, and therefore to be won,
Beauteous thou art, therefore to be assail\'d;
And when a woman woos, what woman\'s son
Will sourly leave her till he have prevail\'d?
Ay me! but yet thou mightst my seat forbear,
And chide thy beauty and thy straying youth,
Who lead thee in their riot even there
Where thou art forced to break a twofold truth:--
Hers by thy beauty tempting her to thee,
Thine by thy beauty being false to me.
--William Shakespeare


XLVI

Mine eye and heart are at a mortal war,
How to divide the conquest of thy sight;
Mine eye my heart thy picture\'s sight would bar,
My heart mine eye the freedom of that right.
My heart doth plead that thou in him dost lie,--
A closet never pierc\'d with crystal eyes--
But the defendant doth that plea deny,
And says in him thy fair appearance lies.
To side this title is impannelled
A quest of thoughts, all tenants to the heart;
And by their verdict is determined
The clear eye\'s moiety, and the dear heart\'s part:
As thus; mine eye\'s due is thy outward part,
And my heart\'s right, thy inward love of heart.
--William Shakespeare

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LXXXII

I grant thou wert not married to my Muse,
And therefore mayst without attaint o'erlook
The dedicated words which writers use
Of their fair subject, blessing every book.
Thou art as fair in knowledge as in hue,
Finding thy worth a limit past my praise;
And therefore art enforced to seek anew
Some fresher stamp of the time-bettering days.
And do so, love; yet when they have devis'd,
What strained touches rhetoric can lend,
Thou truly fair, wert truly sympathiz'd
In true plain words, by thy true-telling friend;
And their gross painting might be better us'd
Where cheeks need blood; in thee it is abus'd.
--William Shakespeare

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