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 Did the Beats or what?
Author: Kev (---.nc.rr.com)
Date:   08-07-01 08:27

Seriously--didn't the beats very badly?

Isn't Kerouac's ON THE ROAD indecipherable?

Dyaln rocked, but Ginsberg, Kerouac--they marshalled the decline and cleaned up!

K

 Re: Did the Beats or what?
Author: madhatter (---.tnt8.ewr3.da.uu.net)
Date:   08-11-01 23:12

No...I don't think the beats ed...some of them were shooting from the hip when they started out, but when they realized what the literary product of their lifestyle and adventures was, I think they realized they had created something unique and worthwhile. Their writing was kind of born out of accident mixed with emotion and I think there's something cool about that.

 Re: Did the Beats or what?
Author: Cris delaMaza..... (200.9.73.---)
Date:   09-06-01 07:22

.........Well........I donīt know that much about Kerouacīs "On The Road".....
......I had one copy....an spanish translation.......But Iīve lost it, drunk in a bus in Chile, my country......I could read almost the whole book......It wasnīt that bad....
............after all, I miss my book..........

 Re: Did the Beats or what?
Author: Dan Lynch (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   09-23-01 19:46

That may be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life.I mean really, Ginsberg can be a little indecipherable sometimes, but Howl was amazing.
But as for Burroughs, although his style isn't quite my favorite, the guy has definite talent.
And Kerouac? Kerouac is the greatest writer of all time. At least, I should say, I like the guy. On the Road was amazing. Visions Of Cody was fantastic despite not making any sense, and Pic was a nice departure from his standard form.

 Re: Did the Beats or what?
Author: Kid V (---.tnt8.cincinnati3.oh.da.uu.net)
Date:   10-11-01 23:04

Hey, if you're talking down something that you have read, and have this handy title like "beats", won't you try to address it with a less general and hopefully more literal gripe than the "huh-huh, they , dude.." title of your admission of something you obviously didn't understand? You know if you stand on a dictionary you can see farther, why don't you try to explain what you think is powerful and good instead; then try again to write about the incredible journey that those kitchen table poets who scd the stars and those family-d Dharma Bums who rode the rails had to do with OUR literary and literal understanding. Keep reading, Bro...

 Re: Did the Beats or what?
Author: Dr. Benway (---.247.94.140.bay.mi.chartermi.net)
Date:   10-17-01 14:44

Kev,

You have no idea what you are talking about. The beats did what other mainstream writers were afraid to do. They rejected contemporary standards and brought literature to a new front. Be thankful they existed!

Language is a virus!

 Re: Did the Beats or what?
Author: insilyoon (---.as0-mbg.midtel.net)
Date:   11-20-01 22:42

the beats...well, in honesty, no i don't think they "ed" which is a cliche' way to suggest a description...in saying they "" what are you suggesting? the style of writing? the quality? please define.....
personally i am a huge fan of the beats....i adore kerouac....and on the road....i appreciate it for the type of person i am....i have traveled for a year, took off from life, and i found reading on the road to be a symbolic icon for the travelers that might not have an exact location as a destination.......it is more of a state of mind, a peace in oneself.....it makes the true traveler yearn for that feeling of freedom again, the unconventionalism of it all....
it comes from thoughts that emerson and thoreau put forth, a type of solitude, a peace, it is the "happy medium" b/t physical solitude and being among friends....
although on the road is obviously not about one man traveling by himself physically, it is the mental state he is in......i mean, haven't you ever been in the situation that you were surrounded by people, at a function like a party, and you felt completely and utterly alone....
i do realize i'm babbling now, but once you expand on your statement, i can define on mine.....look into yourself, and try another beat book, and see what you find...

 Re: Did the Beats or what?
Author: Colin S.O human (---.server.ntl.com)
Date:   01-12-02 08:49

Kerouac's "On The Road" reads fine.

If you want a difficult book read: Finnegans Wake by James Joyce that incomprehensible.....Unless you are a dancer of the soul....

Also, read more poetry!

Try: Bukowski, Walt Whitman, Simic and all the other WAR POETS.

 Re: Did the Beats or what?
Author: Karen (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   01-12-02 14:47

Well, I'm reading On The Road currently. I think that just when I I've lost interest in the book, I find some amazing Kerouac sentence or two that keeps me at attention.Dr. Benway wrote:
>
> Kev,
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about. The beats did
> what other mainstream writers were afraid to do. They
> rejected contemporary standards and brought literature to a
> new front. Be thankful they existed!
>
> Language is a virus!

 Re: Did the Beats or what?
Author: Karen (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   01-12-02 14:49

Colin S.O human wrote:
>
> Kerouac's "On The Road" reads fine.
>
> If you want a difficult book read: Finnegans Wake by James
> Joyce that incomprehensible.....Unless you are a dancer of
> the soul....
>
> Also, read more poetry!
>
> Try: Bukowski, Walt Whitman, Simic and all the other WAR
> POETS.

Now Bukowski, is devine!

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Author: ME (216.61.245.---)
Date:   01-19-02 00:53

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 EASY MONEY: Be rich!
Author: ME (216.61.245.---)
Date:   01-19-02 00:54

: send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address
: stated in the article. You then place
: your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6, and post the
: article in at least 200 newsgroups.
: (There are thousands) No catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and
: talking to a few people first, I
: thought about trying it. I figured what have I got to lose except 6 stamps
: and $6.00, right? Like most of us I
: was a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it
: all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post
: Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! Then I
: invested the measly $6.00. Well
: GUESS WHAT!!...within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I was
: shocked! I figured it would end
: soon, but the money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about
: $25.00. By the end of the second
: week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In the third week I had over
: $10,000.00 and it's still growing.
: This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00
: and it's still coming in rapidly.
: It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, I have spent more than that on
: the lottery!!
: Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, why it works....also,
: make sure you print a copy of this
: article NOW, so you can get the information off of it as you need it. STEP
: 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper
: and write the following on each piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR
: MAILING LIST." Also include your favorite hobbies and interests. Now get
: 6 US $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the
: bill will not be seen through the
: envelope to prevent thievery. Next, place one paper in each of the 6
: envelopes and seal them. You should
: now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above
: phrase, your name and address,
: and a $1.00 bill. What you are doing is creating a service by this. THIS IS
: ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! Mail
: the 6
: envelopes to the following addresses:
: #1) Angelo Edwards, P.O. Box 221 17216 Saticoy St. Van Nuys, CA 91406
: #2) J.K. Gong, 621 North Louise Street, Unit #3, Glendale, CA 91206
: #3) GLC, 5910 Armour Lp SE, Olympia, Wa 98513
: #4) Matt Dispenza, 9898 Kinglet Dr., Baton Rouge, La. 70809
: #5) Jim Pitts, 2114 Parramore, Abilene, Tx. 79603
: #6) Courtney Barker, 407 N. Magnolia, Attica KS 67009
: STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the
: other names up (6 becomes 5, 5
: becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the list. STEP 3:
: Change anything you need to, but
: try to keep this article as close to original as possible. Now, post your
: amended article to at least 200
: newsgroups. (I think there are close to 24,000 groups) All you need is 200,
: but remember, the more you
: post, the more money you make! ---DIRECTIONS-----HOW TO POST TO
: NEWSGROUPS------------
: Step 1) You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own
: posting. Simply put your cursor at the
: beginning of this letter and drag your cursor to the bottom of this
: doent, and select 'copy' from the edit
: menu. This will copy the entire letter into the computers memory. Step 2)
: Open a blank 'notepad' file and
: place your cursor at the top of the blank page. From the 'edit' menu select
: 'paste'. This will paste a copy of
: the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list. Step 3)
: Save your new notepad file as a .txt
: file. If you want to do your postings in different sittings, you'll always
: have
: this file to go back to. Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet explorer and try
: searching for various newsgroups
: (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.) Step 5) Visit
: these message boards and post this
: article as a new message by highlighting the text of this letter and
: selecting paste from the edit menu. Fill in the
: Subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they scroll through
: the list of postings in a particular
: group, click the post message on.
: You're done with your first one!
: Congratulations...THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different
: newsgroupes and post away, after you
: get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each newsgroup!
: **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU
: WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200**

 ""?
Author: Boldfont (---.augustana.ab.ca)
Date:   04-03-02 02:51

Is there a reason so many obviously intelligent people have responded to what must be the dumbest question in the forum? Come on, ""? Dr. Benway, Karen, Colin... you're obviously way above this question, why satisfy this little twerp with a reply? Personally, I look forward to a Beat course I'm taking next semester. My reason: I find it interesting. If Kev thinks they "", he has no interest in them, fine. But why dignify his question with a response?
Boldfont

 Re: Did the Beats or what?
Author: elliot (203.35.8.---)
Date:   09-07-03 05:18

you're a wit.

you've probably thought about suicide. now wouldn't be such a bad time to try it.

 Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. --Al
Author: Shakespeare (---.user.ajato.com.br)
Date:   08-10-05 16:37

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solitude.'
C. S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory What seems to be proved may not be embraced; but what no one shows the ability to defend is quickly abandoned.
C.S. Lewis

LX

Like as the waves make towards the pebbled shore,
So do our minutes hasten to their end;
Each changing place with that which goes before,
In sequent toil all forwards do contend.
Nativity, once in the main of light,
Crawls to maturity, wherewith being crown'd,
Crooked eclipses 'gainst his glory fight,
And Time that gave doth now his gift confound.
Time doth transfix the flourish set on youth
And delves the parallels in beauty's brow,
Feeds on the rarities of nature's truth,
And nothing stands but for his scythe to mow:
And yet to times in hope, my verse shall stand.
Praising thy worth, despite his cruel hand.
--William Shakespeare

 The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.
Author: Shakespeare (---.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)
Date:   08-10-05 18:56

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Einstein

XLVI

Mine eye and heart are at a mortal war,
How to divide the conquest of thy sight;
Mine eye my heart thy picture's sight would bar,
My heart mine eye the freedom of that right.
My heart doth plead that thou in him dost lie,--
A closet never pierc'd with crystal eyes--
But the defendant doth that plea deny,
And says in him thy fair appearance lies.
To side this title is impannelled
A quest of thoughts, all tenants to the heart;
And by their verdict is determined
The clear eye's moiety, and the dear heart's part:
As thus; mine eye's due is thy outward part,
And my heart's right, thy inward love of heart.
--William Shakespeare

Anxiety is the hand maiden of creativity.
T. S. Eliot

 Some editors are failed writers, but so are most writers. T. S. E
Author: Hamlet (164.164.127.---)
Date:   08-27-05 13:06


CXX

That you were once unkind befriends me now,
And for that sorrow, which I then did feel,
Needs must I under my transgression bow,
Unless my nerves were brass or hammer'd steel.
For if you were by my unkindness shaken,
As I by yours, you've pass'd a hell of time;
And I, a tyrant, have no leisure taken
To weigh how once I suffer'd in your crime.
O! that our night of woe might have remember'd
My deepest sense, how hard true sorrow hits,
And soon to you, as you to me, then tender'd
The humble salve, which wounded bosoms fits!
But that your trespass now becomes a fee;
Mine ransoms yours, and yours must ransom me.
--William Shakespeare

Patience: St. Augustine Quotes
Patience is the companion of wisdom.A God. The God. One word can make all the difference in the world.

- C.S. Lewis, In Religion

 This is the way the world ends: not with a bang, but a whimper. T
Author: Shakespeare (212.0.138.---)
Date:   08-29-05 15:30

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LXXXVIII

When thou shalt be dispos'd to set me light,
And place my merit in the eye of scorn,
Upon thy side, against myself I'll fight,
And prove thee virtuous, though thou art forsworn.
With mine own weakness, being best acquainted,
Upon thy part I can set down a story
Of faults conceal'd, wherein I am attainted;
That thou in losing me shalt win much glory:
And I by this will be a gainer too;
For bending all my loving thoughts on thee,
The injuries that to myself I do,
Doing thee vantage, double-vantage me.
Such is my love, to thee I so belong,
That for thy right, myself will bear all wrong.
--William Shakespeare

Life is eating us up. We all shall be fables presently. Keep cool: it will be all one a hundred years hence. -- Ralph Waldo
EmersonEvery poem can be considered in two ways--as what the poet has to say, and as a thing which he makes.
C. S. Lewis, A preface to Paradise Lost

 This glad union hadmade it morning there, And evening here: our h
Author: Shakespeare (---.block.alestra.net.mx)
Date:   09-02-05 13:08

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VI

Then let not winter's ragged hand deface,
In thee thy summer, ere thou be distill'd:
Make sweet some vial; treasure thou some place
With beauty's treasure ere it be self-kill'd.
That use is not forbidden usury,
Which happies those that pay the willing loan;
That's for thy self to breed another thee,
Or ten times happier, be it ten for one;
Ten times thy self were happier than thou art,
If ten of thine ten times refigur'd thee:
Then what could death do if thou shouldst depart,
Leaving thee living in posterity?
Be not self-will'd, for thou art much too fair
To be death's conquest and make worms thine heir.
--William Shakespeare

Anything in any way beautiful derives its beauty from itself, and asks nothing beyond itself. Praise is
no part of it, for nothing is made worse or better by praise. -Marcus Aurelius, Mediations (2nd C.),
4.20, TR. Maxwell StaniforthIn every work of genius we recognize our own rejected thoughts: they come back to us with a certain alienated majesty. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

 Most of all, perhaps, we need an intimate knowlege of the past. N
Author: Shakespeare (---.embc.org.uk)
Date:   09-03-05 08:27

The only way to have a friend is to be one. --Ralph Waldo EmersonThere is no excellent beauty that have not some strangeness in the proportion. -Sir Francis Bacon
Essays, 1625

XXVII

Weary with toil, I haste me to my bed,
The dear respose for limbs with travel tir'd;
But then begins a journey in my head
To work my mind, when body's work's expired:
For then my thoughts--from far where I abide--
Intend a zealous pilgrimage to thee,
And keep my drooping eyelids open wide,
Looking on darkness which the blind do see:
Save that my soul's imaginary sight
Presents thy shadow to my sightless view,
Which, like a jewel (hung in ghastly night,
Makes black night beauteous, and her old face new.
Lo! thus, by day my limbs, by night my mind,
For thee, and for myself, no quiet find.
--William Shakespeare

 We shape our buildings-therafter they shape us. -Sir Winston Chu
Author: Shakespeare (219.134.131.---)
Date:   09-05-05 23:13

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limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical
delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us,
restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons
nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by
widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the
whole of nature in its beauty. --Albert Einstein

CIX

O! never say that I was false of heart,
Though absence seem'd my flame to qualify,
As easy might I from my self depart
As from my soul which in thy breast doth lie:
That is my home of love: if I have rang'd,
Like him that travels, I return again;
Just to the time, not with the time exchang'd,
So that myself bring water for my stain.
Never believe though in my nature reign'd,
All frailties that besiege all kinds of blood,
That it could so preposterously be stain'd,
To leave for nothing all thy sum of good;
For nothing this wide universe I call,
Save thou, my rose, in it thou art my all.
--William Shakespeare

Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That
means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the
distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly
persistent illusion. --Albert Einstein

 
XLVII

Betwixt mine eye and heart a league is took,
And eac
Author: Shakespeare (12.165.224.---)
Date:   09-11-05 00:54

Sometimes a scream is better than a thesis. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

CXXIII

No, Time, thou shalt not boast that I do change:
Thy pyramids built up with newer might
To me are nothing novel, nothing strange;
They are but dressings of a former sight.
Our dates are brief, and therefore we admire
What thou dost foist upon us that is old;
And rather make them born to our desire
Than think that we before have heard them told.
Thy registers and thee I both defy,
Not wondering at the present nor the past,
For thy records and what we see doth lie,
Made more or less by thy continual haste.
This I do vow and this shall ever be;
I will be true despite thy scythe and thee.
--William Shakespeare

Poetry may make us from time to time a little more aware of the deeper, unnamed feelings which form the substratum of our
being, to which we rarely penetrate; for our lives are mostly a constant evasion of ourselves.
T. S. Eliot

 I had seen birth and death but had thought they were different. T
Author: Shakespeare (---.inf.uach.cl)
Date:   09-14-05 06:57

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Founding Fathers Quotes

Besides, to lay and collect internal taxes in this extensive country must require a great number of congressional ordinances,
immediately operation upon the body of the people; these must continually interfere with the state laws and thereby produce
disorder and general dissatisfaction till the one system of laws or the other, operating upon the same subjects, shall be
abolished.
Federal Farmer, Antifederalist Letter, October 10, 1787

No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain
in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as
first love? --Albert Einstein

CXXI

'Tis better to be vile than vile esteem'd,
When not to be receives reproach of being;
And the just pleasure lost, which is so deem'd
Not by our feeling, but by others' seeing:
For why should others' false adulterate eyes
Give salutation to my sportive blood?
Or on my frailties why are frailer spies,
Which in their wills count bad what I think good?
No, I am that I am, and they that level
At my abuses reckon up their own:
I may be straight though they themselves be bevel;
By their rank thoughts, my deeds must not be shown;
Unless this general evil they maintain,
All men are bad and in their badness reign.
--William Shakespeare

 Though we travel the world over to find the beautiful we must car
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Anxiety is the hand maiden of creativity.
T. S. EliotMy greatest trouble is getting the curtain up and down.
T. S. EliotNow he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That
means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the
distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly
persistent illusion. --Albert Einstein

 He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earne
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XCVI

Some say thy fault is youth, some wantonness;
Some say thy grace is youth and gentle sport;
Both grace and faults are lov'd of more and less:
Thou mak'st faults graces that to thee resort.
As on the finger of a throned queen
The basest jewel will be well esteem'd,
So are those errors that in thee are seen
To truths translated, and for true things deem'd.
How many lambs might the stern wolf betray,
If like a lamb he could his looks translate!
How many gazers mightst thou lead away,
if thou wouldst use the strength of all thy state!
But do not so; I love thee in such sort,
As, thou being mine, mine is thy good report.
--William Shakespeare


XCIII

So shall I live, supposing thou art true,
Like a deceived husband; so love's face
May still seem love to me, though alter'd new;
Thy looks with me, thy heart in other place:
For there can live no hatred in thine eye,
Therefore in that I cannot know thy change.
In many's looks, the false heart's history
Is writ in moods, and frowns, and wrinkles strange.
But heaven in thy creation did decree
That in thy face sweet love should ever dwell;
Whate'er thy thoughts, or thy heart's workings be,
Thy looks should nothing thence, but sweetness tell.
How like Eve's apple doth thy beauty grow,
If thy sweet virtue answer not thy show!

XCIV

They that have power to hurt, and will do none,
That do not do the thing they most do show,
Who, moving others, are themselves as stone,
Unmoved, cold, and to temptation slow;
They rightly do inherit heaven's graces,
And husband nature's riches from expense;
They are the lords and owners of their faces,
Others, but stewards of their excellence.
The summer's flower is to the summer sweet,
Though to itself, it only live and die,
But if that flower with base infection meet,
The basest weed outbraves his dignity:
For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds;
Lilies that fester, smell far worse than weeds.
--William Shakespeare

Every poem can be considered in two ways--as what the poet has to say, and as a thing which he makes.
C. S. Lewis, A preface to Paradise Lost

 Beauty hath no true glass, except it be In the sweet privacy of l
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We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place
for the first time.
T. S. Eliot

Henry David Thoreau
Most of the luxuries, and many of the so-called comforts of life, are not
only not indispensable, but positive hindrances to the elevation of
mankind. With respect to luxuries and comforts, the wisest have even lived
a more simple and meagre life than the poor.



Government\'s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short
phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it
stops moving, subsidise it.
Ronald Reagan


LXXXII

I grant thou wert not married to my Muse,
And therefore mayst without attaint o\'erlook
The dedicated words which writers use
Of their fair subject, blessing every book.
Thou art as fair in knowledge as in hue,
Finding thy worth a limit past my praise;
And therefore art enforced to seek anew
Some fresher stamp of the time-bettering days.
And do so, love; yet when they have devis\'d,
What strained touches rhetoric can lend,
Thou truly fair, wert truly sympathiz\'d
In true plain words, by thy true-telling friend;
And their gross painting might be better us\'d
Where cheeks need blood; in thee it is abus\'d.
--William Shakespeare

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LXXXI

Or I shall live your epitaph to make,
Or you survive when I in earth am rotten;
From hence your memory death cannot take,
Although in me each part will be forgotten.
Your name from hence immortal life shall have,
Though I, once gone, to all the world must die:
The earth can yield me but a common grave,
When you entombed in men's eyes shall lie.
Your monument shall be my gentle verse,
Which eyes not yet created shall o'er-read;
And tongues to be, your being shall rehearse,
When all the breathers of this world are dead;
You still shall live,--such virtue hath my pen,--
Where breath most breathes, even in the mouths of men.
--William Shakespeare

What seems to be proved may not be embraced; but what no one shows the ability to defend is quickly abandoned.
C.S. Lewis

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T. S. Eliot

LXXV

So are you to my thoughts as food to life,
Or as sweet-season'd showers are to the ground;
And for the peace of you I hold such strife
As 'twixt a miser and his wealth is found.
Now proud as an enjoyer, and anon
Doubting the filching age will steal his treasure;
Now counting best to be with you alone,
Then better'd that the world may see my pleasure:
Sometime all full with feasting on your sight,
And by and by clean starved for a look;
Possessing or pursuing no delight,
Save what is had, or must from you be took.
Thus do I pine and surfeit day by day,
Or gluttoning on all, or all away.
--William Shakespeare

...one of the strongest motives that lead men to art and science is
escape from everyday life with its painful crudity and hopeless
dreariness, from the fetters of one's own ever-shifting desires. A finely
tempered nature longs to escape from the personal life into the world of
objective perception and thought. --Albert Einstein

 
LXXXVIII

When thou shalt be dispos'd to set me light,
And
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And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment.
Philippians 1:9Mathematics, rightly viewed, possesses not only truth, but supreme beauty-a beauty cold and austere, like
that of sculpture. -Bertand Russell, Mysicism and Logic, 1918This glad union hadmade it morning there,
And evening here: our hemisphere was dark,
While all the mountain bathed in white, when I
Saw Beatrice turned around, facing left,
her eyes raised to the sun-no eagle ever
couls stare so fixed and straight into such light!
-Dante, The Divine Comedy: Paradise

 Love: St. Augustine Quotes He who is filled with love is filled w
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--Albert EinsteinA false enchantment can all too easily last a lifetime.
W. H. Auden

LXXXV

My tongue-tied Muse in manners holds her still,
While comments of your praise richly compil'd,
Reserve their character with golden quill,
And precious phrase by all the Muses fil'd.
I think good thoughts, whilst others write good words,
And like unlettered clerk still cry 'Amen'
To every hymn that able spirit affords,
In polish'd form of well-refined pen.
Hearing you praised, I say ''tis so, 'tis true,'
And to the most of praise add something more;
But that is in my thought, whose love to you,
Though words come hindmost, holds his rank before.
Then others, for the breath of words respect,
Me for my dumb thoughts, speaking in effect.
--William Shakespeare

 review
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Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
John Keats, Ode on a Grecian Urn, 1819Though argument does not create conviction, lack of it destroys belief. C.S. LewisA play should give you something to think about. When I see a play and understand it the first time, then I know it can't
be
much good.
T. S. Eliot

 
LXXV

So are you to my thoughts as food to life,
Or as swee
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-Shakespeare, As You Like It

LXIX

Those parts of thee that the world's eye doth view
Want nothing that the thought of hearts can mend;
All tongues--the voice of souls--give thee that due,
Uttering bare truth, even so as foes commend.
Thy outward thus with outward praise is crown'd;
But those same tongues, that give thee so thine own,
In other accents do this praise confound
By seeing farther than the eye hath shown.
They look into the beauty of thy mind,
And that in guess they measure by thy deeds;
Then--churls--their thoughts, although their eyes were kind,
To thy fair flower add the rank smell of weeds:
But why thy odour matcheth not thy show,
The soil is this, that thou dost common grow.
--William Shakespeare

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CXLI

In faith I do not love thee with mine eyes,
For they in thee a thousand errors note;
But \'tis my heart that loves what they despise,
Who, in despite of view, is pleased to dote.
Nor are mine ears with thy tongue\'s tune delighted;
Nor tender feeling, to base touches prone,
Nor taste, nor smell, desire to be invited
To any sensual feast with thee alone:
But my five wits nor my five senses can
Dissuade one foolish heart from serving thee,
Who leaves unsway\'d the likeness of a man,
Thy proud heart\'s slave and vassal wretch to be:
Only my plague thus far I count my gain,
That she that makes me sin awards me pain.
--William Shakespeare

Time hasn\'t stopped for any troubles, heartaches, or any other malfunctions of this world, so please don\'t tell me it will
stop for you.

- C.S. Lewis, In Time

CXXXI

Thou art as tyrannous, so as thou art,
As those whose beauties proudly make them cruel;
For well thou know\'st to my dear doting heart
Thou art the fairest and most precious jewel.
Yet, in good faith, some say that thee behold,
Thy face hath not the power to make love groan;
To say they err I dare not be so bold,
Although I swear it to myself alone.
And to be sure that is not false I swear,
A thousand groans, but thinking on thy face,
One on another\'s neck, do witness bear
Thy black is fairest in my judgment\'s place.
In nothing art thou black save in thy deeds,
And thence this slander, as I think, proceeds.
--William Shakespeare

Poetry should help, not only to refine the language of the time, but to prevent it from changing too rapidly.
T. S. Eliot

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Action: St. Augustine Quotes
God provides the wind, but man must raise the sails.


CXXXVIII

When my love swears that she is made of truth,
I do believe her though I know she lies,
That she might think me some untutor\'d youth,
Unlearned in the world\'s false subtleties.
Thus vainly thinking that she thinks me young,
Although she knows my days are past the best,
Simply I credit her false-speaking tongue:
On both sides thus is simple truth suppressed:
But wherefore says she not she is unjust?
And wherefore say not I that I am old?
O! love\'s best habit is in seeming trust,
And age in love, loves not to have years told:
Therefore I lie with her, and she with me,
And in our faults by lies we flatter\'d be.
--William Shakespeare

What we call the beginning is often the end. And to make an end is to make a beginning. The end is where we start from.
T. S. Eliot

XXXIII

Full many a glorious morning have I seen
Flatter the mountain tops with sovereign eye,
Kissing with golden face the meadows green,
Gilding pale streams with heavenly alchemy;
Anon permit the basest clouds to ride
With ugly rack on his celestial face,
And from the forlorn world his visage hide,
Stealing unseen to west with this disgrace:
Even so my sun one early morn did shine,
With all triumphant splendour on my brow;
But out! alack! he was but one hour mine,
The region cloud hath mask\'d him from me now.
Yet him for this my love no whit disdaineth;
Suns of the world may stain when heaven\'s sun staineth.
--William Shakespeare

 Patience: St. Augustine Quotes Patience is the companion of wisdo
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LVIII

That god forbid, that made me first your slave,
I should in thought control your times of pleasure,
Or at your hand the account of hours to crave,
Being your vassal, bound to stay your leisure!
O! let me suffer, being at your beck,
The imprison'd absence of your liberty;
And patience, tame to sufferance, bide each check,
Without accusing you of injury.
Be where you list, your charter is so strong
That you yourself may privilage your time
To what you will; to you it doth belong
Yourself to pardon of self-doing crime.
I am to wait, though waiting so be hell,
Not blame your pleasure be it ill or well.
--William Shakespeare

I never can feel certain of any truth but from a clear perception of its Beauty. -John Keats

Founding Fathers Quotes

An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and
no property can bear taxation.
John Marshall, McCullough v. Maryland, 1819

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T. S. EliotThe safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without
milestones,
without signposts. C.S. Lewis

XXII

My glass shall not persuade me I am old,
So long as youth and thou are of one date;
But when in thee time's furrows I behold,
Then look I death my days should expiate.
For all that beauty that doth cover thee,
Is but the seemly raiment of my heart,
Which in thy breast doth live, as thine in me:
How can I then be elder than thou art?
O! therefore love, be of thyself so wary
As I, not for myself, but for thee will;
Bearing thy heart, which I will keep so chary
As tender nurse her babe from faring ill.
Presume not on th;heart when mine is slain,
Thou gav'st me thine not to give back again.
--William Shakespeare

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My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior
spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive
with our frail and feeble mind. --Albert Einstein

Inflation is as violent as a mugger, as frightening as an armed robber and
as deadly as a hit man.
Ronald Reagan

I want to touch people with my art. I want them to say \'he feels
deeply, he feels tenderly.\'
Vincent Van Gogh



Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats
believe every day is April 15.
Ronald Reagan

 Beauty without expression tires. -Emerson
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XX

A woman's face with nature's own hand painted,
Hast thou, the master mistress of my passion;
A woman's gentle heart, but not acquainted
With shifting change, as is false women's fashion:
An eye more bright than theirs, less false in rolling,
Gilding the object whereupon it gazeth;
A man in hue all 'hues' in his controlling,
Which steals men's eyes and women's souls amazeth.
And for a woman wert thou first created;
Till Nature, as she wrought thee, fell a-doting,
And by addition me of thee defeated,
By adding one thing to my purpose nothing.
But since she prick'd thee out for women's pleasure,
Mine be thy love and thy love's use their treasure.
--William Shakespeare


XXXIII

Full many a glorious morning have I seen
Flatter the mountain tops with sovereign eye,
Kissing with golden face the meadows green,
Gilding pale streams with heavenly alchemy;
Anon permit the basest clouds to ride
With ugly rack on his celestial face,
And from the forlorn world his visage hide,
Stealing unseen to west with this disgrace:
Even so my sun one early morn did shine,
With all triumphant splendour on my brow;
But out! alack! he was but one hour mine,
The region cloud hath mask'd him from me now.
Yet him for this my love no whit disdaineth;
Suns of the world may stain when heaven's sun staineth.
--William Shakespeare

I have measured out my life with coffee spoons.
T. S. EliotThe only reward of virtue is virtue. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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An election is coming. Universal peace is declared and the foxes have a sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the
poultry.
T. S. EliotI want to know God\'s thoughts; the rest are details. --Albert Einstein

I tried being reasonable, I didn\'t like it.
Clint Eastwood


Henry David Thoreau
Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around.

 We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our explo
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I have measured out my life with coffee spoons.
T. S. EliotHe who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the
spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be
done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all
this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds
than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing
under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder. --Albert EinsteinApril is the cruellest month.
T. S. Eliot

 
LXXIII

That time of year thou mayst in me behold
When yell
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all shadow ceases to be enjoyed as light.
-John Ruskin, Modern Painters (1843-60)Beauty is truth, truth is beauty, -that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
John Keats, Ode on a Grecian Urn, 1819

LXXVI

Why is my verse so barren of new pride,
So far from variation or quick change?
Why with the time do I not glance aside
To new-found methods, and to compounds strange?
Why write I still all one, ever the same,
And keep invention in a noted weed,
That every word doth almost tell my name,
Showing their birth, and where they did proceed?
O! know sweet love I always write of you,
And you and love are still my argument;
So all my best is dressing old words new,
Spending again what is already spent:
For as the sun is daily new and old,
So is my love still telling what is told.
--William Shakespeare

 It ends not with a bang, but a whimper. T. S. Eliot
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St. Augustine

XXVII

Weary with toil, I haste me to my bed,
The dear respose for limbs with travel tir'd;
But then begins a journey in my head
To work my mind, when body's work's expired:
For then my thoughts--from far where I abide--
Intend a zealous pilgrimage to thee,
And keep my drooping eyelids open wide,
Looking on darkness which the blind do see:
Save that my soul's imaginary sight
Presents thy shadow to my sightless view,
Which, like a jewel (hung in ghastly night,
Makes black night beauteous, and her old face new.
Lo! thus, by day my limbs, by night my mind,
For thee, and for myself, no quiet find.
--William Shakespeare

Beauty, though injurious, hath strange power,
After offence returning, to regain,
Love once possessed.
Milton, Samson Agonistes (1671)

 
LXXXVII

Farewell! thou art too dear for my possessing,
And
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CV

Let not my love be call'd idolatry,
Nor my beloved as an idol show,
Since all alike my songs and praises be
To one, of one, still such, and ever so.
Kind is my love to-day, to-morrow kind,
Still constant in a wondrous excellence;
Therefore my verse to constancy confin'd,
One thing expressing, leaves out difference.
'Fair, kind, and true,' is all my argument,
'Fair, kind, and true,' varying to other words;
And in this change is my invention spent,
Three themes in one, which wondrous scope affords.
Fair, kind, and true, have often liv'd alone,
Which three till now, never kept seat in one.
--William Shakespeare

Our difficulties of the moment must always be dealt with somehow, but our permanent difficulties are difficulties of every
moment.
T. S. Eliot

XXVI

Lord of my love, to whom in vassalage
Thy merit hath my duty strongly knit,
To thee I send this written embassage,
To witness duty, not to show my wit:
Duty so great, which wit so poor as mine
May make seem bare, in wanting words to show it,
But that I hope some good conceit of thine
In thy soul's thought, all naked, will bestow it:
Till whatsoever star that guides my moving,
Points on me graciously with fair aspect,
And puts apparel on my tatter'd loving,
To show me worthy of thy sweet respect:
Then may I dare to boast how I do love thee;
Till then, not show my head where thou mayst prove me.
--William Shakespeare

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XXIV

Mine eye hath play'd the painter and hath stell'd,
Thy beauty's form in table of my heart;
My body is the frame wherein 'tis held,
And perspective it is best painter's art.
For through the painter must you see his skill,
To find where your true image pictur'd lies,
Which in my bosom's shop is hanging still,
That hath his windows glazed with thine eyes.
Now see what good turns eyes for eyes have done:
Mine eyes have drawn thy shape, and thine for me
Are windows to my breast, where-through the sun
Delights to peep, to gaze therein on thee;
Yet eyes this cunning want to grace their art,
They draw but what they see, know not the heart.
--William Shakespeare

Belief: St. Augustine Quotes
Faith is to believe what you do not yet see; the reward for this faith is to see what you believe.The Nobel is a ticket to one's own funeral. No one has ever done anything after he got it.
T. S. Eliot

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give
value to survival.

- C.S. Lewis, In Friendship

LXXVII

Thy glass will show thee how thy beauties wear,
Thy dial how thy precious minutes waste;
These vacant leaves thy mind's imprint will bear,
And of this book, this learning mayst thou taste.
The wrinkles which thy glass will truly show
Of mouthed graves will give thee memory;
Thou by thy dial's shady stealth mayst know
Time's thievish progress to eternity.
Look! what thy memory cannot contain,
Commit to these waste blanks, and thou shalt find
Those children nursed, deliver'd from thy brain,
To take a new acquaintance of thy mind.
These offices, so oft as thou wilt look,
Shall profit thee and much enrich thy book.
--William Shakespeare

Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel
libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans
themselves. --Albert Einstein

 When we build, let us think that we build forever. -John Ruskin,
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XLIII

When most I wink, then do mine eyes best see,
For all the day they view things unrespected;
But when I sleep, in dreams they look on thee,
And darkly bright, are bright in dark directed.
Then thou, whose shadow shadows doth make bright,
How would thy shadow's form form happy show
To the clear day with thy much clearer light,
When to unseeing eyes thy shade shines so!
How would, I say, mine eyes be blessed made
By looking on thee in the living day,
When in dead night thy fair imperfect shade
Through heavy sleep on sightless eyes doth stay!
All days are nights to see till I see thee,
And nights bright days when dreams do show thee me.
--William Shakespeare


LIV

O! how much more doth beauty beauteous seem
By that sweet ornament which truth doth give.
The rose looks fair, but fairer we it deem
For that sweet odour, which doth in it live.
The canker blooms have full as deep a dye
As the perfumed tincture of the roses.
Hang on such thorns, and play as wantonly
When summer's breath their masked buds discloses:
But, for their virtue only is their show,
They live unwoo'd, and unrespected fade;
Die to themselves. Sweet roses do not so;
Of their sweet deaths, are sweetest odours made:
And so of you, beauteous and lovely youth,
When that shall vade, by verse distills your truth.
--William Shakespeare

Beauty is truth, truth is beauty, -that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
John Keats, Ode on a Grecian Urn, 1819

 
LXI

Is it thy will, thy image should keep open
My heavy eyelids
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LXXVII

Thy glass will show thee how thy beauties wear,
Thy dial how thy precious minutes waste;
These vacant leaves thy mind's imprint will bear,
And of this book, this learning mayst thou taste.
The wrinkles which thy glass will truly show
Of mouthed graves will give thee memory;
Thou by thy dial's shady stealth mayst know
Time's thievish progress to eternity.
Look! what thy memory cannot contain,
Commit to these waste blanks, and thou shalt find
Those children nursed, deliver'd from thy brain,
To take a new acquaintance of thy mind.
These offices, so oft as thou wilt look,
Shall profit thee and much enrich thy book.
--William Shakespeare

The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more
certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie
through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but
through striving after rational knowledge. --Albert Einstein

 
CL

O! from what power hast thou this powerful might,
With
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My gaze on Beatrice, hers on Heaven,
In less time than an arrow strikes the mark,
Flies through the air, loosed from its catch, I found
myself in some place where a wondrous thing.
Absorbed all of my mind, and then my lady,
From whom I could not keep my thirst to know,
turned toward me as joyful as her beauty:
Direct your mind and gratitude, she said,
To God, who raised us up to His first star.
-Dante, The Divine Comedy: ParadiseReligion: St. Augustine Quotes
For what is faith unless it is to believe what you do not see?Accept the things to which fate binds you, and love the people with whom fate brings you together, but do so with all your
heart.
Marcus Aurelius 121-80 AD, Roman Emperor, Philosopher

 The last temptation is the greatest treason: to do the right deed
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T. S. EliotWhoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge
is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. --Albert Einstein

 
LXXXVII

Farewell! thou art too dear for my possessing,
And
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The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility. --Albert
Einstein

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T. S. Eliot


XXXV

No more be griev'd at that which thou hast done:
Roses have thorns, and silver fountains mud:
Clouds and eclipses stain both moon and sun,
And loathsome canker lives in sweetest bud.
All men make faults, and even I in this,
Authorizing thy trespass with compare,
Myself corrupting, salving thy amiss,
Excusing thy sins more than thy sins are;
For to thy sensual fault I bring in sense,--
Thy adverse party is thy advocate,--
And 'gainst myself a lawful plea commence:
Such civil war is in my love and hate,
That I an accessary needs must be,
To that sweet thief which sourly robs from me.
--William Shakespeare

 
CXXV

Were't aught to me I bore the canopy,
With my extern
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Love: St. Augustine Quotes
Love is the beauty of the soul.


XXXV

No more be griev\'d at that which thou hast done:
Roses have thorns, and silver fountains mud:
Clouds and eclipses stain both moon and sun,
And loathsome canker lives in sweetest bud.
All men make faults, and even I in this,
Authorizing thy trespass with compare,
Myself corrupting, salving thy amiss,
Excusing thy sins more than thy sins are;
For to thy sensual fault I bring in sense,--
Thy adverse party is thy advocate,--
And \'gainst myself a lawful plea commence:
Such civil war is in my love and hate,
That I an accessary needs must be,
To that sweet thief which sourly robs from me.
--William Shakespeare


XLV

The other two, slight air, and purging fire
Are both with thee, wherever I abide;
The first my thought, the other my desire,
These present-absent with swift motion slide.
For when these quicker elements are gone
In tender embassy of love to thee,
My life, being made of four, with two alone
Sinks down to death, oppress\'d with melancholy;
Until life\'s composition be recur\'d
By those swift messengers return\'d from thee,
Who even but now come back again, assur\'d,
Of thy fair health, recounting it to me:
This told, I joy; but then no longer glad,
I send them back again, and straight grow sad.
--William Shakespeare



Founding Fathers Quotes

As our president bears no resemblance to a king so we shall see the Senate has no similitude to nobles. First, not being
hereditary, their collective knowledge, wisdom, and virtue are not precarious. For by these qualities alone are they to obtain
their offices, and they will have none of the peculiar qualities and vices of those men who possess power merely because their
father held it before them.
Tench Coxe, An American Citizen, No.2, September 28, 1787

 Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.
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CI

O truant Muse what shall be thy amends
For thy neglect of truth in beauty dy\'d?
Both truth and beauty on my love depends;
So dost thou too, and therein dignified.
Make answer Muse: wilt thou not haply say,
\'Truth needs no colour, with his colour fix\'d;
Beauty no pencil, beauty\'s truth to lay;
But best is best, if never intermix\'d\'?
Because he needs no praise, wilt thou be dumb?
Excuse not silence so, for\'t lies in thee
To make him much outlive a gilded tomb
And to be prais\'d of ages yet to be.
Then do thy office, Muse; I teach thee how
To make him seem long hence as he shows now.
--William Shakespeare


XLIX

Against that time, if ever that time come,
When I shall see thee frown on my defects,
When as thy love hath cast his utmost sum,
Call\'d to that audit by advis\'d respects;
Against that time when thou shalt strangely pass,
And scarcely greet me with that sun, thine eye,
When love, converted from the thing it was,
Shall reasons find of settled gravity;
Against that time do I ensconce me here,
Within the knowledge of mine own desert,
And this my hand, against my self uprear,
To guard the lawful reasons on thy part:
To leave poor me thou hast the strength of laws,
Since why to love I can allege no cause.
--William Shakespeare


LXXXVI

Was it the proud full sail of his great verse,
Bound for the prize of all too precious you,
That did my ripe thoughts in my brain inhearse,
Making their tomb the womb wherein they grew?
Was it his spirit, by spirits taught to write,
Above a mortal pitch, that struck me dead?
No, neither he, nor his compeers by night
Giving him aid, my verse astonished.
He, nor that affable familiar ghost
Which nightly gulls him with intelligence,
As victors of my silence cannot boast;
I was not sick of any fear from thence:
But when your countenance fill\'d up his line,
Then lacked I matter; that enfeebled mine.
--William Shakespeare



We must reject the idea that every time a law\'s broken, society is guilty
rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept
that each individual is accountable for his actions.
Ronald Reagan

 
CXXVII

In the old age black was not counted fair,
Or if it
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Though we travel the world over to find the beautiful we must carry it with us or we find it not. -Ralph
Waldo Emerson

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--Albert EinsteinO, thou art fairer than the evening's air
Clad in the beauty of a thousand stars.
-Faustus, 1604

 free texas hold'em
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Action: St. Augustine Quotes
God provides the wind, but man must raise the sails.That\'s like asking you to pick your favorite child... I do however, think
Bird on a Wire was one of my finest works. Oscar caliber.
Mel Gibson


XCI

Some glory in their birth, some in their skill,
Some in their wealth, some in their body\'s force,
Some in their garments though new-fangled ill;
Some in their hawks and hounds, some in their horse;
And every humour hath his adjunct pleasure,
Wherein it finds a joy above the rest:
But these particulars are not my measure,
All these I better in one general best.
Thy love is better than high birth to me,
Richer than wealth, prouder than garments\' costs,
Of more delight than hawks and horses be;
And having thee, of all men\'s pride I boast:
Wretched in this alone, that thou mayst take
All this away, and me most wretchcd make.
--William Shakespeare


LXXXVII

Farewell! thou art too dear for my possessing,
And like enough thou know\'st thy estimate,
The charter of thy worth gives thee releasing;
My bonds in thee are all determinate.
For how do I hold thee but by thy granting?
And for that riches where is my deserving?
The cause of this fair gift in me is wanting,
And so my patent back again is swerving.
Thy self thou gav\'st, thy own worth then not knowing,
Or me to whom thou gav\'st it, else mistaking;
So thy great gift, upon misprision growing,
Comes home again, on better judgement making.
Thus have I had thee, as a dream doth flatter,
In sleep a king, but waking no such matter.
--William Shakespeare

 Beauty in distress is much the most affecting beauty. -Edmund Bu
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LXXXI

Or I shall live your epitaph to make,
Or you survive when I in earth am rotten;
From hence your memory death cannot take,
Although in me each part will be forgotten.
Your name from hence immortal life shall have,
Though I, once gone, to all the world must die:
The earth can yield me but a common grave,
When you entombed in men's eyes shall lie.
Your monument shall be my gentle verse,
Which eyes not yet created shall o'er-read;
And tongues to be, your being shall rehearse,
When all the breathers of this world are dead;
You still shall live,--such virtue hath my pen,--
Where breath most breathes, even in the mouths of men.
--William Shakespeare

Beauty is unbearable, drives us to despair, offering us for a minute the glimpse of an eternity that we
should like to stretch out over the whole of time. -Albert CamusOur difficulties of the moment must always be dealt with somehow, but our permanent difficulties are difficulties of every
moment.
T. S. Eliot

 
XCV

How sweet and lovely dost thou make the shame
Which, l
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--Albert Einstein

CXLII

Love is my sin, and thy dear virtue hate,
Hate of my sin, grounded on sinful loving:
O! but with mine compare thou thine own state,
And thou shalt find it merits not reproving;
Or, if it do, not from those lips of thine,
That have profan'd their scarlet ornaments
And seal'd false bonds of love as oft as mine,
Robb'd others' beds' revenues of their rents.
Be it lawful I love thee, as thou lov'st those
Whom thine eyes woo as mine importune thee:
Root pity in thy heart, that, when it grows,
Thy pity may deserve to pitied be.
If thou dost seek to have what thou dost hide,
By self-example mayst thou be denied!

CXLIII

Lo, as a careful housewife runs to catch
One of her feather'd creatures broke away,
Sets down her babe, and makes all swift dispatch
In pursuit of the thing she would have stay;
Whilst her neglected child holds her in chase,
Cries to catch her whose busy care is bent
To follow that which flies before her face,
Not prizing her poor infant's discontent;
So runn'st thou after that which flies from thee,
Whilst I thy babe chase thee afar behind;
But if thou catch thy hope, turn back to me,
And play the mother's part, kiss me, be kind;
So will I pray that thou mayst have thy 'Will,'
If thou turn back and my loud crying still.
--William Shakespeare

Accept the things to which fate binds you, and love the people with whom fate brings you together, but do so with all your
heart.
Marcus Aurelius 121-80 AD, Roman Emperor, Philosopher

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Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense
that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!
--Albert Einstein

It\'s true hard work never killed anybody, but I figure, why take the
chance?
Ronald Reagan
Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings.
BibleLove is the beauty of the soul.
St. Augustine

 Footfalls echo in the memory, down the passage which we did not t
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T. S. Eliot

XCVIII

From you have I been absent in the spring,
When proud-pied April, dress'd in all his trim,
Hath put a spirit of youth in every thing,
That heavy Saturn laugh'd and leap'd with him.
Yet nor the lays of birds, nor the sweet smell
Of different flowers in odour and in hue,
Could make me any summer's story tell,
Or from their proud lap pluck them where they grew:
Nor did I wonder at the lily's white,
Nor praise the deep vermilion in the rose;
They were but sweet, but figures of delight,
Drawn after you, you pattern of all those.
Yet seem'd it winter still, and you away,
As with your shadow I with these did play.
--William Shakespeare


XVI

But wherefore do not you a mightier way
Make war upon this bloody tyrant, Time?
And fortify your self in your decay
With means more blessed than my barren rhyme?
Now stand you on the top of happy hours,
And many maiden gardens, yet unset,
With virtuous wish would bear you living flowers,
Much liker than your painted counterfeit:
So should the lines of life that life repair,
Which this, Time's pencil, or my pupil pen,
Neither in inward worth nor outward fair,
Can make you live your self in eyes of men.
To give away yourself, keeps yourself still,
And you must live, drawn by your own sweet skill.
--William Shakespeare

  Founding Fathers Quotes Another not unimportant consideration
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Mathematics, rightly viewed, possesses not only truth, but supreme beauty-a beauty cold and austere, like
that of sculpture. -Bertand Russell, Mysicism and Logic, 1918

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XXI

So is it not with me as with that Muse,
Stirr'd by a painted beauty to his verse,
Who heaven itself for ornament doth use
And every fair with his fair doth rehearse,
Making a couplement of proud compare'
With sun and moon, with earth and sea's rich gems,
With April's first-born flowers, and all things rare,
That heaven's air in this huge rondure hems.
O! let me, true in love, but truly write,
And then believe me, my love is as fair
As any mother's child, though not so bright
As those gold candles fix'd in heaven's air:
Let them say more that like of hearsay well;
I will not praise that purpose not to sell.
--William Shakespeare

Beauty, though injurious, hath strange power,
After offence returning, to regain,
Love once possessed.
Milton, Samson Agonistes (1671)

LXXXII

I grant thou wert not married to my Muse,
And therefore mayst without attaint o'erlook
The dedicated words which writers use
Of their fair subject, blessing every book.
Thou art as fair in knowledge as in hue,
Finding thy worth a limit past my praise;
And therefore art enforced to seek anew
Some fresher stamp of the time-bettering days.
And do so, love; yet when they have devis'd,
What strained touches rhetoric can lend,
Thou truly fair, wert truly sympathiz'd
In true plain words, by thy true-telling friend;
And their gross painting might be better us'd
Where cheeks need blood; in thee it is abus'd.
--William Shakespeare

 Now that I am a Christian I do not have moods in which the whole thing
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moment.
T. S. Eliot

CXVII

Accuse me thus: that I have scanted all,
Wherein I should your great deserts repay,
Forgot upon your dearest love to call,
Whereto all bonds do tie me day by day;
That I have frequent been with unknown minds,
And given to time your own dear-purchas'd right;
That I have hoisted sail to all the winds
Which should transport me farthest from your sight.
Book both my wilfulness and errors down,
And on just proof surmise, accumulate;
Bring me within the level of your frown,
But shoot not at me in your waken'd hate;
Since my appeal says I did strive to prove
The constancy and virtue of your love.
--William Shakespeare

 The Nobel is a ticket to one's own funeral. No one has ever done
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inrushing multitude. See in college how we thwart the natural love of learning by leaving the natural method of teaching
what each wishes to learn, and insisting that you shall learn what you have no taste or capacity for. The college, which
should be a place of delightful labor, is made odious and unhealthy, and the young men are tempted to frivolous amusements
to rally their jaded spirits. I would have the studies elective. Scholarship is to be created not by compulsion, but by
awakening a pure interest in knowledge. The wise instructor accomplishes this by opening to his pupils precisely the
attractions the study has for himself. The marking is a system for schools, not for the college; for boys, not for men; and
it is an ungracious work to put on a professor. -- Ralph Waldo EmersonI have measured out my life with coffee spoons.
T. S. Eliot

CXXXII

Thine eyes I love, and they, as pitying me,
Knowing thy heart torment me with disdain,
Have put on black and loving mourners be,
Looking with pretty ruth upon my pain.
And truly not the morning sun of heaven
Better becomes the grey cheeks of the east,
Nor that full star that ushers in the even,
Doth half that glory to the sober west,
As those two mourning eyes become thy face:
O! let it then as well beseem thy heart
To mourn for me since mourning doth thee grace,
And suit thy pity like in every part.
Then will I swear beauty herself is black,
And all they foul that thy complexion lack.
--William Shakespeare

 The greatest homage to truth is to use it. -Ralph Waldo Emerson
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For what is faith unless it is to believe what you do not see?

X

For shame! deny that thou bear'st love to any,
Who for thy self art so unprovident.
Grant, if thou wilt, thou art belov'd of many,
But that thou none lov'st is most evident:
For thou art so possess'd with murderous hate,
That 'gainst thy self thou stick'st not to conspire,
Seeking that beauteous roof to ruinate
Which to repair should be thy chief desire.
O! change thy thought, that I may change my mind:
Shall hate be fairer lodg'd than gentle love?
Be, as thy presence is, gracious and kind,
Or to thyself at least kind-hearted prove:
Make thee another self for love of me,
That beauty still may live in thine or thee.
--William Shakespeare


CXXVII

In the old age black was not counted fair,
Or if it were, it bore not beauty's name;
But now is black beauty's successive heir,
And beauty slander'd with a bastard shame:
For since each hand hath put on Nature's power,
Fairing the foul with Art's false borrowed face,
Sweet beauty hath no name, no holy bower,
But is profan'd, if not lives in disgrace.
Therefore my mistress' eyes are raven black,
Her eyes so suited, and they mourners seem
At such who, not born fair, no beauty lack,
Sland'ring creation with a false esteem:
Yet so they mourn becoming of their woe,
That every tongue says beauty should look so.
--William Shakespeare

 
XXI

So is it not with me as with that Muse,
Stirr'd by a
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write of her (Beatrice) that which has never been written of any lady. -Dante on his inspiration for The
Divine ComedyAs things are, and as fundamentally they must always be, poetry is not a career, but a mug's game. No honest poet can ever
feel quite sure of the permanent value of what he has written: He may have wasted his time and messed up his life for
nothing.
T. S. Eliot

CXXIX

The expense of spirit in a waste of shame
Is lust in action: and till action, lust
Is perjur'd, murderous, bloody, full of blame,
Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust;
Enjoy'd no sooner but despised straight;
Past reason hunted; and no sooner had,
Past reason hated, as a swallow'd bait,
On purpose laid to make the taker mad:
Mad in pursuit and in possession so;
Had, having, and in quest, to have extreme;
A bliss in proof,-- and prov'd, a very woe;
Before, a joy propos'd; behind a dream.
All this the world well knows; yet none knows well
To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell.
--William Shakespeare

 
XXXI

Thy bosom is endeared with all hearts,
Which I by lac
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--Albert Einstein

CX

Alas! 'tis true, I have gone here and there,
And made my self a motley to the view,
Gor'd mine own thoughts, sold cheap what is most dear,
Made old offences of affections new;
Most true it is, that I have look'd on truth
Askance and strangely; but, by all above,
These blenches gave my heart another youth,
And worse essays prov'd thee my best of love.
Now all is done, save what shall have no end:
Mine appetite I never more will grind
On newer proof, to try an older friend,
A god in love, to whom I am confin'd.
Then give me welcome, next my heaven the best,
Even to thy pure and most most loving breast.
--William Shakespeare

Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm. But
the
harm does not interest them.
T. S. Eliot

 Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.
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If you aren't in over your head, how do you know how tall you are?
T. S. Eliot

CXV

Those lines that I before have writ do lie,
Even those that said I could not love you dearer:
Yet then my judgment knew no reason why
My most full flame should afterwards burn clearer.
But reckoning Time, whose million'd accidents
Creep in 'twixt vows, and change decrees of kings,
Tan sacred beauty, blunt the sharp'st intents,
Divert strong minds to the course of altering things;
Alas! why fearing of Time's tyranny,
Might I not then say, 'Now I love you best,'
When I was certain o'er incertainty,
Crowning the present, doubting of the rest?
Love is a babe, then might I not say so,
To give full growth to that which still doth grow?

CXVI

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O, no! it is an ever-fixed mark,
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come;
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me prov'd,
I never writ, nor no man ever lov'd.
--William Shakespeare

Where is all the knowledge we lost with information?
T. S. Eliot

 ...one of the strongest motives that lead men to art and science
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-Shakespeare, As You Like ItThe last thing one discovers in composing a work is what to put first.
T. S. Eliot

 Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrit
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understanding. --Albert Einstein

CVIII

What's in the brain, that ink may character,
Which hath not figur'd to thee my true spirit?
What's new to speak, what now to register,
That may express my love, or thy dear merit?
Nothing, sweet boy; but yet, like prayers divine,
I must each day say o'er the very same;
Counting no old thing old, thou mine, I thine,
Even as when first I hallow'd thy fair name.
So that eternal love in love's fresh case,
Weighs not the dust and injury of age,
Nor gives to necessary wrinkles place,
But makes antiquity for aye his page;
Finding the first conceit of love there bred,
Where time and outward form would show it dead.
--William Shakespeare


L

How heavy do I journey on the way,
When what I seek, my weary travel's end,
Doth teach that ease and that repose to say,
'Thus far the miles are measured from thy friend!'
The beast that bears me, tired with my woe,
Plods dully on, to bear that weight in me,
As if by some instinct the wretch did know
His rider lov'd not speed, being made from thee:
The bloody spur cannot provoke him on,
That sometimes anger thrusts into his hide,
Which heavily he answers with a groan,
More sharp to me than spurring to his side;
For that same groan doth put this in my mind,
My grief lies onward, and my joy behind.
--William Shakespeare

 
XLVII

Betwixt mine eye and heart a league is took,
And eac
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give
value to survival.

- C.S. Lewis, In FriendshipBeware when the great God lets loose a thinker on this planet. Then all things are at risk. It is as when a conflagration
has broken out in a great city, and no man knows what is safe, or where it will end.--Ralph Waldo EmersonTime hasn't stopped for any troubles, heartaches, or any other malfunctions of this world, so please don't tell me it will
stop for you.

- C.S. Lewis, In Time

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LXXXII

I grant thou wert not married to my Muse,
And therefore mayst without attaint o'erlook
The dedicated words which writers use
Of their fair subject, blessing every book.
Thou art as fair in knowledge as in hue,
Finding thy worth a limit past my praise;
And therefore art enforced to seek anew
Some fresher stamp of the time-bettering days.
And do so, love; yet when they have devis'd,
What strained touches rhetoric can lend,
Thou truly fair, wert truly sympathiz'd
In true plain words, by thy true-telling friend;
And their gross painting might be better us'd
Where cheeks need blood; in thee it is abus'd.
--William Shakespeare

Gravitation is not responsible for people falling in love. --Albert
Einstein

XXXVII

As a decrepit father takes delight
To see his active child do deeds of youth,
So I, made lame by Fortune's dearest spite,
Take all my comfort of thy worth and truth;
For whether beauty, birth, or wealth, or wit,
Or any of these all, or all, or more,
Entitled in thy parts, do crowned sit,
I make my love engrafted, to this store:
So then I am not lame, poor, nor despis'd,
Whilst that this shadow doth such substance give
That I in thy abundance am suffic'd,
And by a part of all thy glory live.
Look what is best, that best I wish in thee:
This wish I have; then ten times happy me!

XXXVIII

How can my muse want subject to invent,
While thou dost breathe, that pour'st into my verse
Thine own sweet argument, too excellent
For every vulgar paper to rehearse?
O! give thy self the thanks, if aught in me
Worthy perusal stand against thy sight;
For who's so dumb that cannot write to thee,
When thou thy self dost give invention light?
Be thou the tenth Muse, ten times more in worth
Than those old nine which rhymers invocate;
And he that calls on thee, let him bring forth
Eternal numbers to outlive long date.
If my slight muse do please these curious days,
The pain be mine, but thine shall be the praise.
--William Shakespeare

 Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could
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We must be steady enough in ourselves, to be open and to let the winds of life blow through us, to be our breath, our
inspiration; to breathe with them, mobile and soft in the limberness of our bodies, in our agility, our ability, as it were,
to dance, and yet to stand upright.
T. S. Eliot

XLVIII

How careful was I when I took my way,
Each trifle under truest bars to thrust,
That to my use it might unused stay
From hands of falsehood, in sure wards of trust!
But thou, to whom my jewels trifles are,
Most worthy comfort, now my greatest grief,
Thou best of dearest, and mine only care,
Art left the prey of every vulgar thief.
Thee have I not lock'd up in any chest,
Save where thou art not, though I feel thou art,
Within the gentle closure of my breast,
From whence at pleasure thou mayst come and part;
And even thence thou wilt be stol'n I fear,
For truth proves thievish for a prize so dear.
--William Shakespeare


LXIX

Those parts of thee that the world's eye doth view
Want nothing that the thought of hearts can mend;
All tongues--the voice of souls--give thee that due,
Uttering bare truth, even so as foes commend.
Thy outward thus with outward praise is crown'd;
But those same tongues, that give thee so thine own,
In other accents do this praise confound
By seeing farther than the eye hath shown.
They look into the beauty of thy mind,
And that in guess they measure by thy deeds;
Then--churls--their thoughts, although their eyes were kind,
To thy fair flower add the rank smell of weeds:
But why thy odour matcheth not thy show,
The soil is this, that thou dost common grow.
--William Shakespeare

 My gaze on Beatrice, hers on Heaven, In less time than an arrow s
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XCVIII

From you have I been absent in the spring,
When proud-pied April, dress'd in all his trim,
Hath put a spirit of youth in every thing,
That heavy Saturn laugh'd and leap'd with him.
Yet nor the lays of birds, nor the sweet smell
Of different flowers in odour and in hue,
Could make me any summer's story tell,
Or from their proud lap pluck them where they grew:
Nor did I wonder at the lily's white,
Nor praise the deep vermilion in the rose;
They were but sweet, but figures of delight,
Drawn after you, you pattern of all those.
Yet seem'd it winter still, and you away,
As with your shadow I with these did play.
--William Shakespeare

Anxiety is the hand maiden of creativity.
T. S. EliotPlaywriting gets into your blood and you can't stop it. At least not until the producers or the public tell you to.
T. S. Eliot

 
XXXVI

Let me confess that we two must be twain,
Although o
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others as it is to invent. R. EmersonPoetry is not a turning loose of emotion, but an escape from emotion; it is not the expression of personality, but an
escape
from personality. But, of course, only those who have personality and emotions know what it means to want to escape from
these things.
T. S. Eliot

LXXXVIII

When thou shalt be dispos'd to set me light,
And place my merit in the eye of scorn,
Upon thy side, against myself I'll fight,
And prove thee virtuous, though thou art forsworn.
With mine own weakness, being best acquainted,
Upon thy part I can set down a story
Of faults conceal'd, wherein I am attainted;
That thou in losing me shalt win much glory:
And I by this will be a gainer too;
For bending all my loving thoughts on thee,
The injuries that to myself I do,
Doing thee vantage, double-vantage me.
Such is my love, to thee I so belong,
That for thy right, myself will bear all wrong.
--William Shakespeare

 Children are all foreigners. --Ralph Waldo Emerson
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We but half express ourselves, and are ashamed of that divine idea which each of us represents. --Emerson

LXXV

So are you to my thoughts as food to life,
Or as sweet-season'd showers are to the ground;
And for the peace of you I hold such strife
As 'twixt a miser and his wealth is found.
Now proud as an enjoyer, and anon
Doubting the filching age will steal his treasure;
Now counting best to be with you alone,
Then better'd that the world may see my pleasure:
Sometime all full with feasting on your sight,
And by and by clean starved for a look;
Possessing or pursuing no delight,
Save what is had, or must from you be took.
Thus do I pine and surfeit day by day,
Or gluttoning on all, or all away.
--William Shakespeare


CXLII

Love is my sin, and thy dear virtue hate,
Hate of my sin, grounded on sinful loving:
O! but with mine compare thou thine own state,
And thou shalt find it merits not reproving;
Or, if it do, not from those lips of thine,
That have profan'd their scarlet ornaments
And seal'd false bonds of love as oft as mine,
Robb'd others' beds' revenues of their rents.
Be it lawful I love thee, as thou lov'st those
Whom thine eyes woo as mine importune thee:
Root pity in thy heart, that, when it grows,
Thy pity may deserve to pitied be.
If thou dost seek to have what thou dost hide,
By self-example mayst thou be denied!

CXLIII

Lo, as a careful housewife runs to catch
One of her feather'd creatures broke away,
Sets down her babe, and makes all swift dispatch
In pursuit of the thing she would have stay;
Whilst her neglected child holds her in chase,
Cries to catch her whose busy care is bent
To follow that which flies before her face,
Not prizing her poor infant's discontent;
So runn'st thou after that which flies from thee,
Whilst I thy babe chase thee afar behind;
But if thou catch thy hope, turn back to me,
And play the mother's part, kiss me, be kind;
So will I pray that thou mayst have thy 'Will,'
If thou turn back and my loud crying still.
--William Shakespeare

 By necessity, by proclivity, and by delight, we all quote. In fac
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T. S. EliotHitch your wagon to a star. --Ralph Waldo EmersonThe important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own
reason for existing. --Albert Einstein

 Genuine poetry can communicate before it is understood. T. S. Eli
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LXXXVIII

When thou shalt be dispos'd to set me light,
And place my merit in the eye of scorn,
Upon thy side, against myself I'll fight,
And prove thee virtuous, though thou art forsworn.
With mine own weakness, being best acquainted,
Upon thy part I can set down a story
Of faults conceal'd, wherein I am attainted;
That thou in losing me shalt win much glory:
And I by this will be a gainer too;
For bending all my loving thoughts on thee,
The injuries that to myself I do,
Doing thee vantage, double-vantage me.
Such is my love, to thee I so belong,
That for thy right, myself will bear all wrong.
--William Shakespeare


CXI

O! for my sake do you with Fortune chide,
The guilty goddess of my harmful deeds,
That did not better for my life provide
Than public means which public manners breeds.
Thence comes it that my name receives a brand,
And almost thence my nature is subdu'd
To what it works in, like the dyer's hand:
Pity me, then, and wish I were renew'd;
Whilst, like a willing patient, I will drink,
Potions of eisel 'gainst my strong infection;
No bitterness that I will bitter think,
Nor double penance, to correct correction.
Pity me then, dear friend, and I assure ye,
Even that your pity is enough to cure me.
--William Shakespeare


CXLIV

Two loves I have of comfort and despair,
Which like two spirits do suggest me still:
The better angel is a man right fair,
The worser spirit a woman colour'd ill.
To win me soon to hell, my female evil,
Tempteth my better angel from my side,
And would corrupt my saint to be a devil,
Wooing his purity with her foul pride.
And whether that my angel be turn'd fiend,
Suspect I may, yet not directly tell;
But being both from me, both to each friend,
I guess one angel in another's hell:
Yet this shall I ne'er know, but live in doubt,
Till my bad angel fire my good one out.
--William Shakespeare

 Our passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far to
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XII

When I do count the clock that tells the time,
And see the brave day sunk in hideous night;
When I behold the violet past prime,
And sable curls, all silvered o'er with white;
When lofty trees I see barren of leaves,
Which erst from heat did canopy the herd,
And summer's green all girded up in sheaves,
Borne on the bier with white and bristly beard,
Then of thy beauty do I question make,
That thou among the wastes of time must go,
Since sweets and beauties do themselves forsake
And die as fast as they see others grow;
And nothing 'gainst Time's scythe can make defence
Save breed, to brave him when he takes thee hence.
--William Shakespeare


CXXXII

Thine eyes I love, and they, as pitying me,
Knowing thy heart torment me with disdain,
Have put on black and loving mourners be,
Looking with pretty ruth upon my pain.
And truly not the morning sun of heaven
Better becomes the grey cheeks of the east,
Nor that full star that ushers in the even,
Doth half that glory to the sober west,
As those two mourning eyes become thy face:
O! let it then as well beseem thy heart
To mourn for me since mourning doth thee grace,
And suit thy pity like in every part.
Then will I swear beauty herself is black,
And all they foul that thy complexion lack.
--William Shakespeare

The communication of the dead is tongued with fire beyond the language of the living.
T. S. Eliot

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The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his
intelligence. --Albert Einstein

XI

As fast as thou shalt wane, so fast thou grow'st,
In one of thine, from that which thou departest;
And that fresh blood which youngly thou bestow'st,
Thou mayst call thine when thou from youth convertest,
Herein lives wisdom, beauty, and increase;
Without this folly, age, and cold decay:
If all were minded so, the times should cease
And threescore year would make the world away.
Let those whom nature hath not made for store,
Harsh, featureless, and rude, barrenly perish:
Look, whom she best endow'd, she gave thee more;
Which bounteous gift thou shouldst in bounty cherish:
She carv'd thee for her seal, and meant thereby,
Thou shouldst print more, not let that copy die.
--William Shakespeare

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There is no method but to be very intelligent.
T. S. Eliot

CXXIX

The expense of spirit in a waste of shame
Is lust in action: and till action, lust
Is perjur'd, murderous, bloody, full of blame,
Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust;
Enjoy'd no sooner but despised straight;
Past reason hunted; and no sooner had,
Past reason hated, as a swallow'd bait,
On purpose laid to make the taker mad:
Mad in pursuit and in possession so;
Had, having, and in quest, to have extreme;
A bliss in proof,-- and prov'd, a very woe;
Before, a joy propos'd; behind a dream.
All this the world well knows; yet none knows well
To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell.
--William Shakespeare



CXL

Be wise as thou art cruel; do not press
My tongue-tied patience with too much disdain;
Lest sorrow lend me words, and words express
The manner of my pity-wanting pain.
If I might teach thee wit, better it were,
Though not to love, yet, love to tell me so;--
As testy sick men, when their deaths be near,
No news but health from their physicians know;--
For, if I should despair, I should grow mad,
And in my madness might speak ill of thee;
Now this ill-wresting world is grown so bad,
Mad slanderers by mad ears believed be.
That I may not be so, nor thou belied,
Bear thine eyes straight, though thy proud heart go wide.
--William Shakespeare

 
LI

Thus can my love excuse the slow offence
Of my dull bea
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Faith is to believe what you do not yet see; the reward for this faith is to see what you believe.I hate quotations. Tell me what you know. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

LXXXVI

Was it the proud full sail of his great verse,
Bound for the prize of all too precious you,
That did my ripe thoughts in my brain inhearse,
Making their tomb the womb wherein they grew?
Was it his spirit, by spirits taught to write,
Above a mortal pitch, that struck me dead?
No, neither he, nor his compeers by night
Giving him aid, my verse astonished.
He, nor that affable familiar ghost
Which nightly gulls him with intelligence,
As victors of my silence cannot boast;
I was not sick of any fear from thence:
But when your countenance fill'd up his line,
Then lacked I matter; that enfeebled mine.
--William Shakespeare

 Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in th
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T. S. EliotA play should give you something to think about. When I see a play and understand it the first time, then I know it can't
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T. S. Eliot

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My old drama coach used to say, \'Don\'t just do something, stand there.\'
Gary Cooper wasn\'t afraid to do nothing.
Clint Eastwood


II

When forty winters shall besiege thy brow,
And dig deep trenches in thy beauty\'s field,
Thy youth\'s proud livery so gazed on now,
Will be a tatter\'d weed of small worth held:
Then being asked, where all thy beauty lies,
Where all the treasure of thy lusty days;
To say, within thine own deep sunken eyes,
Were an all-eating shame, and thriftless praise.
How much more praise deserv\'d thy beauty\'s use,
If thou couldst answer \'This fair child of mine
Shall sum my count, and make my old excuse,\'
Proving his beauty by succession thine!
This were to be new made when thou art old,
And see thy blood warm when thou feel\'st it cold.
--William Shakespeare

Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak
minds. --Albert Einstein

Religion: St. Augustine Quotes
For what is faith unless it is to believe what you do not see?

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CIV

To me, fair friend, you never can be old,
For as you were when first your eye I ey'd,
Such seems your beauty still. Three winters cold,
Have from the forests shook three summers' pride,
Three beauteous springs to yellow autumn turn'd,
In process of the seasons have I seen,
Three April perfumes in three hot Junes burn'd,
Since first I saw you fresh, which yet are green.
Ah! yet doth beauty like a dial-hand,
Steal from his figure, and no pace perceiv'd;
So your sweet hue, which methinks still doth stand,
Hath motion, and mine eye may be deceiv'd:
For fear of which, hear this thou age unbred:
Ere you were born was beauty's summer dead.
--William Shakespeare


XXV

Let those who are in favour with their stars
Of public honour and proud titles boast,
Whilst I, whom fortune of such triumph bars
Unlook'd for joy in that I honour most.
Great princes' favourites their fair leaves spread
But as the marigold at the sun's eye,
And in themselves their pride lies buried,
For at a frown they in their glory die.
The painful warrior famoused for fight,
After a thousand victories once foil'd,
Is from the book of honour razed quite,
And all the rest forgot for which he toil'd:
Then happy I, that love and am belov'd,
Where I may not remove nor be remov'd.
--William Shakespeare


CV

Let not my love be call'd idolatry,
Nor my beloved as an idol show,
Since all alike my songs and praises be
To one, of one, still such, and ever so.
Kind is my love to-day, to-morrow kind,
Still constant in a wondrous excellence;
Therefore my verse to constancy confin'd,
One thing expressing, leaves out difference.
'Fair, kind, and true,' is all my argument,
'Fair, kind, and true,' varying to other words;
And in this change is my invention spent,
Three themes in one, which wondrous scope affords.
Fair, kind, and true, have often liv'd alone,
Which three till now, never kept seat in one.
--William Shakespeare

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empirically. --Albert Einstein

LX

Like as the waves make towards the pebbled shore,
So do our minutes hasten to their end;
Each changing place with that which goes before,
In sequent toil all forwards do contend.
Nativity, once in the main of light,
Crawls to maturity, wherewith being crown'd,
Crooked eclipses 'gainst his glory fight,
And Time that gave doth now his gift confound.
Time doth transfix the flourish set on youth
And delves the parallels in beauty's brow,
Feeds on the rarities of nature's truth,
And nothing stands but for his scythe to mow:
And yet to times in hope, my verse shall stand.
Praising thy worth, despite his cruel hand.
--William Shakespeare

 Friendship is unnecessary, like philosophy, like art . . . it has
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rose-garden.
T. S. Eliot

XXXIV

Why didst thou promise such a beauteous day,
And make me travel forth without my cloak,
To let base clouds o'ertake me in my way,
Hiding thy bravery in their rotten smoke?
'Tis not enough that through the cloud thou break,
To dry the rain on my storm-beaten face,
For no man well of such a salve can speak,
That heals the wound, and cures not the disgrace:
Nor can thy shame give physic to my grief;
Though thou repent, yet I have still the loss:
The offender's sorrow lends but weak relief
To him that bears the strong offence's cross.
Ah! but those tears are pearl which thy love sheds,
And they are rich and ransom all ill deeds.
--William Shakespeare

 Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could
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LXXXIII

I never saw that you did painting need,
And therefore to your fair no painting set;
I found, or thought I found, you did exceed
That barren tender of a poet's debt:
And therefore have I slept in your report,
That you yourself, being extant, well might show
How far a modern quill doth come too short,
Speaking of worth, what worth in you doth grow.
This silence for my sin you did impute,
Which shall be most my glory being dumb;
For I impair not beauty being mute,
When others would give life, and bring a tomb.
There lives more life in one of your fair eyes
Than both your poets can in praise devise.
--William Shakespeare


XCIII

So shall I live, supposing thou art true,
Like a deceived husband; so love's face
May still seem love to me, though alter'd new;
Thy looks with me, thy heart in other place:
For there can live no hatred in thine eye,
Therefore in that I cannot know thy change.
In many's looks, the false heart's history
Is writ in moods, and frowns, and wrinkles strange.
But heaven in thy creation did decree
That in thy face sweet love should ever dwell;
Whate'er thy thoughts, or thy heart's workings be,
Thy looks should nothing thence, but sweetness tell.
How like Eve's apple doth thy beauty grow,
If thy sweet virtue answer not thy show!

XCIV

They that have power to hurt, and will do none,
That do not do the thing they most do show,
Who, moving others, are themselves as stone,
Unmoved, cold, and to temptation slow;
They rightly do inherit heaven's graces,
And husband nature's riches from expense;
They are the lords and owners of their faces,
Others, but stewards of their excellence.
The summer's flower is to the summer sweet,
Though to itself, it only live and die,
But if that flower with base infection meet,
The basest weed outbraves his dignity:
For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds;
Lilies that fester, smell far worse than weeds.
--William Shakespeare

The Nobel is a ticket to one's own funeral. No one has ever done anything after he got it.
T. S. Eliot

 
XXXIV

Why didst thou promise such a beauteous day,
And mak
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libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans
themselves. --Albert EinsteinNot everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can
be counted counts. --Albert EinsteinIt would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would
make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a
Beethoven symphony as a variation of wave pressure. -- Albert Einstein

 
CXII

Your love and pity doth the impression fill,
Which vu
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cannot study the future.

- C.S. Lewis, In Education

L

How heavy do I journey on the way,
When what I seek, my weary travel's end,
Doth teach that ease and that repose to say,
'Thus far the miles are measured from thy friend!'
The beast that bears me, tired with my woe,
Plods dully on, to bear that weight in me,
As if by some instinct the wretch did know
His rider lov'd not speed, being made from thee:
The bloody spur cannot provoke him on,
That sometimes anger thrusts into his hide,
Which heavily he answers with a groan,
More sharp to me than spurring to his side;
For that same groan doth put this in my mind,
My grief lies onward, and my joy behind.
--William Shakespeare


XCVIII

From you have I been absent in the spring,
When proud-pied April, dress'd in all his trim,
Hath put a spirit of youth in every thing,
That heavy Saturn laugh'd and leap'd with him.
Yet nor the lays of birds, nor the sweet smell
Of different flowers in odour and in hue,
Could make me any summer's story tell,
Or from their proud lap pluck them where they grew:
Nor did I wonder at the lily's white,
Nor praise the deep vermilion in the rose;
They were but sweet, but figures of delight,
Drawn after you, you pattern of all those.
Yet seem'd it winter still, and you away,
As with your shadow I with these did play.
--William Shakespeare

 Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing. --Al
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sure about the the universe. --Albert Einstein

CXV

Those lines that I before have writ do lie,
Even those that said I could not love you dearer:
Yet then my judgment knew no reason why
My most full flame should afterwards burn clearer.
But reckoning Time, whose million'd accidents
Creep in 'twixt vows, and change decrees of kings,
Tan sacred beauty, blunt the sharp'st intents,
Divert strong minds to the course of altering things;
Alas! why fearing of Time's tyranny,
Might I not then say, 'Now I love you best,'
When I was certain o'er incertainty,
Crowning the present, doubting of the rest?
Love is a babe, then might I not say so,
To give full growth to that which still doth grow?

CXVI

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O, no! it is an ever-fixed mark,
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come;
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me prov'd,
I never writ, nor no man ever lov'd.
--William Shakespeare

Where is all the knowledge we lost with information?
T. S. Eliot

 
CXXIX

The expense of spirit in a waste of shame
Is lust in
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CXIV

Or whether doth my mind, being crown'd with you,
Drink up the monarch's plague, this flattery?
Or whether shall I say, mine eye saith true,
And that your love taught it this alchemy,
To make of monsters and things indigest
Such cherubins as your sweet self resemble,
Creating every bad a perfect best,
As fast as objects to his beams assemble?
O! 'tis the first, 'tis flattery in my seeing,
And my great mind most kingly drinks it up:
Mine eye well knows what with his gust is 'greeing,
And to his palate doth prepare the cup:
If it be poison'd, 'tis the lesser sin
That mine eye loves it and doth first begin.
--William Shakespeare


LIV

O! how much more doth beauty beauteous seem
By that sweet ornament which truth doth give.
The rose looks fair, but fairer we it deem
For that sweet odour, which doth in it live.
The canker blooms have full as deep a dye
As the perfumed tincture of the roses.
Hang on such thorns, and play as wantonly
When summer's breath their masked buds discloses:
But, for their virtue only is their show,
They live unwoo'd, and unrespected fade;
Die to themselves. Sweet roses do not so;
Of their sweet deaths, are sweetest odours made:
And so of you, beauteous and lovely youth,
When that shall vade, by verse distills your truth.
--William Shakespeare

I don't believe one grows older. I think that what happens early on in life is that at a certain age one stands still and
stagnates.
T. S. Eliot

 
CIV

To me, fair friend, you never can be old,
For as you w
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XXXV

No more be griev'd at that which thou hast done:
Roses have thorns, and silver fountains mud:
Clouds and eclipses stain both moon and sun,
And loathsome canker lives in sweetest bud.
All men make faults, and even I in this,
Authorizing thy trespass with compare,
Myself corrupting, salving thy amiss,
Excusing thy sins more than thy sins are;
For to thy sensual fault I bring in sense,--
Thy adverse party is thy advocate,--
And 'gainst myself a lawful plea commence:
Such civil war is in my love and hate,
That I an accessary needs must be,
To that sweet thief which sourly robs from me.
--William Shakespeare


XLIX

Against that time, if ever that time come,
When I shall see thee frown on my defects,
When as thy love hath cast his utmost sum,
Call'd to that audit by advis'd respects;
Against that time when thou shalt strangely pass,
And scarcely greet me with that sun, thine eye,
When love, converted from the thing it was,
Shall reasons find of settled gravity;
Against that time do I ensconce me here,
Within the knowledge of mine own desert,
And this my hand, against my self uprear,
To guard the lawful reasons on thy part:
To leave poor me thou hast the strength of laws,
Since why to love I can allege no cause.
--William Shakespeare


C

Where art thou Muse that thou forget'st so long,
To speak of that which gives thee all thy might?
Spend'st thou thy fury on some worthless song,
Darkening thy power to lend base subjects light?
Return forgetful Muse, and straight redeem,
In gentle numbers time so idly spent;
Sing to the ear that doth thy lays esteem
And gives thy pen both skill and argument.
Rise, resty Muse, my love's sweet face survey,
If Time have any wrinkle graven there;
If any, be a satire to decay,
And make time's spoils despised every where.
Give my love fame faster than Time wastes life,
So thou prevent'st his scythe and crooked knife.
--William Shakespeare

 It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodnes
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CIV

To me, fair friend, you never can be old,
For as you were when first your eye I ey'd,
Such seems your beauty still. Three winters cold,
Have from the forests shook three summers' pride,
Three beauteous springs to yellow autumn turn'd,
In process of the seasons have I seen,
Three April perfumes in three hot Junes burn'd,
Since first I saw you fresh, which yet are green.
Ah! yet doth beauty like a dial-hand,
Steal from his figure, and no pace perceiv'd;
So your sweet hue, which methinks still doth stand,
Hath motion, and mine eye may be deceiv'd:
For fear of which, hear this thou age unbred:
Ere you were born was beauty's summer dead.
--William Shakespeare

Science is a wonderful thing if one does not have to earn one's living at
it. --Albert EinsteinKnowledge: St. Augustine Quotes
Miracles are not contrary to nature, but only contrary to what we know about nature.

 The communication of the dead is tongued with fire beyond the lan
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Well, I learned a lot... I went down to Latin America to find out from
them and (learn) their views. You\'d be surprised. They\'re all individual
countries.
Ronald Reagan


XXVIII

How can I then return in happy plight,
That am debarre\'d the benefit of rest?
When day\'s oppression is not eas\'d by night,
But day by night and night by day oppress\'d,
And each, though enemies to either\'s reign,
Do in consent shake hands to torture me,
The one by toil, the other to complain
How far I toil, still farther off from thee.
I tell the day, to please him thou art bright,
And dost him grace when clouds do blot the heaven:
So flatter I the swart-complexion\'d night,
When sparkling stars twire not thou gild\'st the even.
But day doth daily draw my sorrows longer,
And night doth nightly make grief\'s length seem stronger.
--William Shakespeare

We can\'t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when
we created them. --Albert EinsteinImagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein

 Action: St. Augustine Quotes God provides the wind, but man must
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CII

My love is strengthen'd, though more weak in seeming;
I love not less, though less the show appear;
That love is merchandiz'd, whose rich esteeming,
The owner's tongue doth publish every where.
Our love was new, and then but in the spring,
When I was wont to greet it with my lays;
As Philomel in summer's front doth sing,
And stops her pipe in growth of riper days:
Not that the summer is less pleasant now
Than when her mournful hymns did hush the night,
But that wild music burthens every bough,
And sweets grown common lose their dear delight.
Therefore like her, I sometime hold my tongue:
Because I would not dull you with my song.
--William Shakespeare


LV

Not marble, nor the gilded monuments
Of princes, shall outlive this powerful rhyme;
But you shall shine more bright in these contents
Than unswept stone, besmear'd with sluttish time.
When wasteful war shall statues overturn,
And broils root out the work of masonry,
Nor Mars his sword, nor war's quick fire shall burn
The living record of your memory.
'Gainst death, and all-oblivious enmity
Shall you pace forth; your praise shall still find room
Even in the eyes of all posterity
That wear this world out to the ending doom.
So, till the judgment that yourself arise,
You live in this, and dwell in lovers' eyes.
--William Shakespeare

The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is
comprehensible. --Albert Einstein

 Knowledge: St. Augustine Quotes Miracles are not contrary to natu
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usic while the music lasts.
T. S. Eliot Beauty itself doth of itself persuade / The eyes of men without an orator.
-Shakespeare, The Rape of Lucrece (1594)

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Politics is just like show business. You have a hell of an opening, coast
for a while, and then have a hell of a close.
Ronald Reagan


No mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain,
for economic advantage, for ideology.
Ronald Reagan

The greatest homage to truth is to use it. -Ralph Waldo Emerson



The taxpayer - that\'s someone who works for the federal government but
doesn\'t have to take the civil service examination.
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lost
in information?
T. S. EliotFor us, there is only the trying. The rest is not our business.
T. S. Eliot

 
LXXX

O! how I faint when I of you do write,
Knowing a better spi
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Founding Fathers Quotes

A feeble executive implies a feeble execution of the government. A feeble execution is but another phrase for a bad execution;
and a government ill executed, whatever may be its theory, must, in practice, be a bad government.
Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833


V

Those hours, that with gentle work did frame
The lovely gaze where every eye doth dwell,
Will play the tyrants to the very same
And that unfair which fairly doth excel;
For never-resting time leads summer on
To hideous winter, and confounds him there;
Sap checked with frost, and lusty leaves quite gone,
Beauty o'er-snowed and bareness every where:
Then were not summer's distillation left,
A liquid prisoner pent in walls of glass,
Beauty's effect with beauty were bereft,
Nor it, nor no remembrance what it was:
But flowers distill'd, though they with winter meet,
Leese but their show; their substance still lives sweet.
--William Shakespeare

 
XLII

That thou hast her it is not all my grief,
And yet it
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Truth is beautiful, without doubt; but so are lies. --R. W. Emerson

Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards,
if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book.
Ronald Reagan
Love, and do what you like.
St. AugustineAnyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.
--Albert Einstein

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After about 20 years of marriage, I\'m finally starting to scratch the
surface of what women want. And I think the answer lies somewhere between
conversation and chocolate.
Mel Gibson

It is important to express oneself... provided the feelings are
real and are taken from you own experience.
Berthe Morisot


XIII

O! that you were your self; but, love you are
No longer yours, than you your self here live:
Against this coming end you should prepare,
And your sweet semblance to some other give:
So should that beauty which you hold in lease
Find no determination; then you were
Yourself again, after yourself\'s decease,
When your sweet issue your sweet form should bear.
Who lets so fair a house fall to decay,
Which husbandry in honour might uphold,
Against the stormy gusts of winter\'s day
And barren rage of death\'s eternal cold?
O! none but unthrifts. Dear my love, you know,
You had a father: let your son say so.
--William Shakespeare


CXLVIII

O me! what eyes hath Love put in my head,
Which have no correspondence with true sight;
Or, if they have, where is my judgment fled,
That censures falsely what they see aright?
If that be fair whereon my false eyes dote,
What means the world to say it is not so?
If it be not, then love doth well denote
Love\'s eye is not so true as all men\'s: no,
How can it? O! how can Love\'s eye be true,
That is so vexed with watching and with tears?
No marvel then, though I mistake my view;
The sun itself sees not, till heaven clears.
O cunning Love! with tears thou keep\'st me blind,
Lest eyes well-seeing thy foul faults should find.
--William Shakespeare

 Genuine poetry can communicate before it is understood. T. S. Eli
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but an equation is something for eternity. --Albert Einstein

CII

My love is strengthen'd, though more weak in seeming;
I love not less, though less the show appear;
That love is merchandiz'd, whose rich esteeming,
The owner's tongue doth publish every where.
Our love was new, and then but in the spring,
When I was wont to greet it with my lays;
As Philomel in summer's front doth sing,
And stops her pipe in growth of riper days:
Not that the summer is less pleasant now
Than when her mournful hymns did hush the night,
But that wild music burthens every bough,
And sweets grown common lose their dear delight.
Therefore like her, I sometime hold my tongue:
Because I would not dull you with my song.
--William Shakespeare



Founding Fathers Quotes

Besides, to lay and collect internal taxes in this extensive country must require a great number of congressional ordinances,
immediately operation upon the body of the people; these must continually interfere with the state laws and thereby produce
disorder and general dissatisfaction till the one system of laws or the other, operating upon the same subjects, shall be
abolished.
Federal Farmer, Antifederalist Letter, October 10, 1787

 I had seen birth and death but had thought they were different. T
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LXXVII

Thy glass will show thee how thy beauties wear,
Thy dial how thy precious minutes waste;
These vacant leaves thy mind's imprint will bear,
And of this book, this learning mayst thou taste.
The wrinkles which thy glass will truly show
Of mouthed graves will give thee memory;
Thou by thy dial's shady stealth mayst know
Time's thievish progress to eternity.
Look! what thy memory cannot contain,
Commit to these waste blanks, and thou shalt find
Those children nursed, deliver'd from thy brain,
To take a new acquaintance of thy mind.
These offices, so oft as thou wilt look,
Shall profit thee and much enrich thy book.
--William Shakespeare


XLVII

Betwixt mine eye and heart a league is took,
And each doth good turns now unto the other:
When that mine eye is famish'd for a look,
Or heart in love with sighs himself doth smother,
With my love's picture then my eye doth feast,
And to the painted banquet bids my heart;
Another time mine eye is my heart's guest,
And in his thoughts of love doth share a part:
So, either by thy picture or my love,
Thy self away, art present still with me;
For thou not farther than my thoughts canst move,
And I am still with them, and they with thee;
Or, if they sleep, thy picture in my sight
Awakes my heart, to heart's and eye's delight.
--William Shakespeare

Footfalls echo in the memory, down the passage which we did not take, towards the door we never opened Into the
rose-garden.
T. S. Eliot

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Founding Fathers Quotes

Another not unimportant consideration is, that the powers of the general government will be, and indeed must be, principally
employed upon external objects, such as war, peace, negotiations with foreign powers, and foreign commerce. In its internal
operations it can touch but few objects, except to introduce regulations beneficial to the commerce, intercourse, and other
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internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the state.
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CII

My love is strengthen'd, though more weak in seeming;
I love not less, though less the show appear;
That love is merchandiz'd, whose rich esteeming,
The owner's tongue doth publish every where.
Our love was new, and then but in the spring,
When I was wont to greet it with my lays;
As Philomel in summer's front doth sing,
And stops her pipe in growth of riper days:
Not that the summer is less pleasant now
Than when her mournful hymns did hush the night,
But that wild music burthens every bough,
And sweets grown common lose their dear delight.
Therefore like her, I sometime hold my tongue:
Because I would not dull you with my song.
--William Shakespeare

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LXIV

When I have seen by Time's fell hand defac'd
The rich-proud cost of outworn buried age;
When sometime lofty towers I see down-raz'd,
And brass eternal slave to mortal rage;
When I have seen the hungry ocean gain
Advantage on the kingdom of the shore,
And the firm soil win of the watery main,
Increasing store with loss, and loss with store;
When I have seen such interchange of state,
Or state itself confounded, to decay;
Ruin hath taught me thus to ruminate--
That Time will come and take my love away.
This thought is as a death which cannot choose
But weep to have, that which it fears to lose.
--William Shakespeare

Tis not a lip or eye we beauty call, But the joint force and full result of all.
-Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism, 1711The genius of architecture seems to have shed its maledictions over this land. -Thomas Jefferson, Notes
on the State of Virginia, 1784-1785

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VIII

Music to hear, why hear'st thou music sadly?
Sweets with sweets war not, joy delights in joy:
Why lov'st thou that which thou receiv'st not gladly,
Or else receiv'st with pleasure thine annoy?
If the true concord of well-tuned sounds,
By unions married, do offend thine ear,
They do but sweetly chide thee, who confounds
In singleness the parts that thou shouldst bear.
Mark how one string, sweet husband to another,
Strikes each in each by mutual ordering;
Resembling sire and child and happy mother,
Who, all in one, one pleasing note do sing:
Whose speechless song being many, seeming one,
Sings this to thee: 'Thou single wilt prove none.'

IX

Is it for fear to wet a widow's eye,
That thou consum'st thy self in single life?
Ah! if thou issueless shalt hap to die,
The world will wail thee like a makeless wife;
The world will be thy widow and still weep
That thou no form of thee hast left behind,
When every private widow well may keep
By children's eyes, her husband's shape in mind:
Look! what an unthrift in the world doth spend
Shifts but his place, for still the world enjoys it;
But beauty's waste hath in the world an end,
And kept unused the user so destroys it.
No love toward others in that bosom sits
That on himself such murd'rous shame commits.
--William Shakespeare

Love: St. Augustine Quotes
He who is filled with love is filled with God himself.After I wrote this sonnet there appeared to me a miraculous vision in which I saw things that made me
resolve to say no more about this blessed one until I should be capable of writing about her in a nobler
way. -Dante on his inspiration for The Divine Comedy, after falling short of Beatrice's splendor in the
Vita Nuova

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LXXXVII

Farewell! thou art too dear for my possessing,
And like enough thou know'st thy estimate,
The charter of thy worth gives thee releasing;
My bonds in thee are all determinate.
For how do I hold thee but by thy granting?
And for that riches where is my deserving?
The cause of this fair gift in me is wanting,
And so my patent back again is swerving.
Thy self thou gav'st, thy own worth then not knowing,
Or me to whom thou gav'st it, else mistaking;
So thy great gift, upon misprision growing,
Comes home again, on better judgement making.
Thus have I had thee, as a dream doth flatter,
In sleep a king, but waking no such matter.
--William Shakespeare


CXXXII

Thine eyes I love, and they, as pitying me,
Knowing thy heart torment me with disdain,
Have put on black and loving mourners be,
Looking with pretty ruth upon my pain.
And truly not the morning sun of heaven
Better becomes the grey cheeks of the east,
Nor that full star that ushers in the even,
Doth half that glory to the sober west,
As those two mourning eyes become thy face:
O! let it then as well beseem thy heart
To mourn for me since mourning doth thee grace,
And suit thy pity like in every part.
Then will I swear beauty herself is black,
And all they foul that thy complexion lack.
--William Shakespeare

The only way to have a friend is to be one. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

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LXXXVII

Farewell! thou art too dear for my possessing,
And like enough thou know'st thy estimate,
The charter of thy worth gives thee releasing;
My bonds in thee are all determinate.
For how do I hold thee but by thy granting?
And for that riches where is my deserving?
The cause of this fair gift in me is wanting,
And so my patent back again is swerving.
Thy self thou gav'st, thy own worth then not knowing,
Or me to whom thou gav'st it, else mistaking;
So thy great gift, upon misprision growing,
Comes home again, on better judgement making.
Thus have I had thee, as a dream doth flatter,
In sleep a king, but waking no such matter.
--William Shakespeare

God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates
empirically. --Albert EinsteinOnly those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.
T. S. Eliot

 
CXVIII

Like as, to make our appetite more keen,
With eager
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CXXVI

O thou, my lovely boy, who in thy power
Dost hold Time's fickle glass, his fickle hour;
Who hast by waning grown, and therein show'st
Thy lovers withering, as thy sweet self grow'st.
If Nature, sovereign mistress over wrack,
As thou goest onwards, still will pluck thee back,
She keeps thee to this purpose, that her skill
May time disgrace and wretched minutes kill.
Yet fear her, O thou minion of her pleasure!
She may detain, but not still keep, her treasure:
Her audit (though delayed) answered must be,
And her quietus is to render thee.
--William Shakespeare


LXXXV

My tongue-tied Muse in manners holds her still,
While comments of your praise richly compil'd,
Reserve their character with golden quill,
And precious phrase by all the Muses fil'd.
I think good thoughts, whilst others write good words,
And like unlettered clerk still cry 'Amen'
To every hymn that able spirit affords,
In polish'd form of well-refined pen.
Hearing you praised, I say ''tis so, 'tis true,'
And to the most of praise add something more;
But that is in my thought, whose love to you,
Though words come hindmost, holds his rank before.
Then others, for the breath of words respect,
Me for my dumb thoughts, speaking in effect.
--William Shakespeare


XLI

Those pretty wrongs that liberty commits,
When I am sometime absent from thy heart,
Thy beauty, and thy years full well befits,
For still temptation follows where thou art.
Gentle thou art, and therefore to be won,
Beauteous thou art, therefore to be assail'd;
And when a woman woos, what woman's son
Will sourly leave her till he have prevail'd?
Ay me! but yet thou mightst my seat forbear,
And chide thy beauty and thy straying youth,
Who lead thee in their riot even there
Where thou art forced to break a twofold truth:--
Hers by thy beauty tempting her to thee,
Thine by thy beauty being false to me.
--William Shakespeare

 
CVI

When in the chronicle of wasted time
I see description
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CXL

Be wise as thou art cruel; do not press
My tongue-tied patience with too much disdain;
Lest sorrow lend me words, and words express
The manner of my pity-wanting pain.
If I might teach thee wit, better it were,
Though not to love, yet, love to tell me so;--
As testy sick men, when their deaths be near,
No news but health from their physicians know;--
For, if I should despair, I should grow mad,
And in my madness might speak ill of thee;
Now this ill-wresting world is grown so bad,
Mad slanderers by mad ears believed be.
That I may not be so, nor thou belied,
Bear thine eyes straight, though thy proud heart go wide.
--William Shakespeare


CXXXVIII

When my love swears that she is made of truth,
I do believe her though I know she lies,
That she might think me some untutor'd youth,
Unlearned in the world's false subtleties.
Thus vainly thinking that she thinks me young,
Although she knows my days are past the best,
Simply I credit her false-speaking tongue:
On both sides thus is simple truth suppressed:
But wherefore says she not she is unjust?
And wherefore say not I that I am old?
O! love's best habit is in seeming trust,
And age in love, loves not to have years told:
Therefore I lie with her, and she with me,
And in our faults by lies we flatter'd be.
--William Shakespeare


XVIII

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer's lease hath all too short a date:
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And often is his gold complexion dimm'd,
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance, or nature's changing course untrimm'd:
But thy eternal summer shall not fade,
Nor lose possession of that fair thou ow'st,
Nor shall death brag thou wander'st in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou grow'st,
So long as men can breathe, or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.
--William Shakespeare

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Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more
violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in
the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein


XVII

Who will believe my verse in time to come,
If it were fill'd with your most high deserts?
Though yet heaven knows it is but as a tomb
Which hides your life, and shows not half your parts.
If I could write the beauty of your eyes,
And in fresh numbers number all your graces,
The age to come would say 'This poet lies;
Such heavenly touches ne'er touch'd earthly faces.'
So should my papers, yellow'd with their age,
Be scorn'd, like old men of less truth than tongue,
And your true rights be term'd a poet's rage
And stretched metre of an antique song:
But were some child of yours alive that time,
You should live twice,--in it, and in my rhyme.
--William Shakespeare


CXLVI

Poor soul, the centre of my sinful earth,
My sinful earth these rebel powers array,
Why dost thou pine within and suffer dearth,
Painting thy outward walls so costly gay?
Why so large cost, having so short a lease,
Dost thou upon thy fading mansion spend?
Shall worms, inheritors of this excess,
Eat up thy charge? Is this thy body's end?
Then soul, live thou upon thy servant's loss,
And let that pine to aggravate thy store;
Buy terms divine in selling hours of dross;
Within be fed, without be rich no more:
So shall thou feed on Death, that feeds on men,
And Death once dead, there's no more dying then.
--William Shakespeare

God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates
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I am an Anglo-Catholic in religion, a classicist in literature and a royalist in politics.
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CVI

When in the chronicle of wasted time
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CXLVII

My love is as a fever longing still,
For that which longer nurseth the disease;
Feeding on that which doth preserve the ill,
The uncertain sickly appetite to please.
My reason, the physician to my love,
Angry that his prescriptions are not kept,
Hath left me, and I desperate now approve
Desire is death, which physic did except.
Past cure I am, now Reason is past care,
And frantic-mad with evermore unrest;
My thoughts and my discourse as madmen's are,
At random from the truth vainly express'd;
For I have sworn thee fair, and thought thee bright,
Who art as black as hell, as dark as night.
--William Shakespeare


CI

O truant Muse what shall be thy amends
For thy neglect of truth in beauty dy'd?
Both truth and beauty on my love depends;
So dost thou too, and therein dignified.
Make answer Muse: wilt thou not haply say,
'Truth needs no colour, with his colour fix'd;
Beauty no pencil, beauty's truth to lay;
But best is best, if never intermix'd'?
Because he needs no praise, wilt thou be dumb?
Excuse not silence so, for't lies in thee
To make him much outlive a gilded tomb
And to be prais'd of ages yet to be.
Then do thy office, Muse; I teach thee how
To make him seem long hence as he shows now.
--William Shakespeare

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XXXI

Thy bosom is endeared with all hearts,
Which I by lac
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VII

Lo! in the orient when the gracious light
Lifts up his burning head, each under eye
Doth homage to his new-appearing sight,
Serving with looks his sacred majesty;
And having climb'd the steep-up heavenly hill,
Resembling strong youth in his middle age,
Yet mortal looks adore his beauty still,
Attending on his golden pilgrimage:
But when from highmost pitch, with weary car,
Like feeble age, he reeleth from the day,
The eyes, 'fore duteous, now converted are
From his low tract, and look another way:
So thou, thyself outgoing in thy noon:
Unlook'd, on diest unless thou get a son.
--William Shakespeare


XXXII

If thou survive my well-contented day,
When that churl Death my bones with dust shall cover
And shalt by fortune once more re-survey
These poor rude lines of thy deceased lover,
Compare them with the bett'ring of the time,
And though they be outstripp'd by every pen,
Reserve them for my love, not for their rhyme,
Exceeded by the height of happier men.
O! then vouchsafe me but this loving thought:
'Had my friend's Muse grown with this growing age,
A dearer birth than this his love had brought,
To march in ranks of better equipage:
But since he died and poets better prove,
Theirs for their style I'll read, his for his love'.
--William Shakespeare

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CXXVI

O thou, my lovely boy, who in thy power
Dost hold Time's fickle glass, his fickle hour;
Who hast by waning grown, and therein show'st
Thy lovers withering, as thy sweet self grow'st.
If Nature, sovereign mistress over wrack,
As thou goest onwards, still will pluck thee back,
She keeps thee to this purpose, that her skill
May time disgrace and wretched minutes kill.
Yet fear her, O thou minion of her pleasure!
She may detain, but not still keep, her treasure:
Her audit (though delayed) answered must be,
And her quietus is to render thee.
--William Shakespeare


LI

Thus can my love excuse the slow offence
Of my dull bearer when from thee I speed:
From where thou art why should I haste me thence?
Till I return, of posting is no need.
O! what excuse will my poor beast then find,
When swift extremity can seem but slow?
Then should I spur, though mounted on the wind,
In winged speed n:motion shall I know,
Then can no horse with my desire keep pace;
Therefore desire, of perfect'st love being made,
Shall neigh--no dull flesh--in his fiery race;
But love, for love, thus shall excuse my jade,--
'Since from thee going, he went wilful-slow,
Towards thee I'll run, and give him leave to go.'

LII

So am I as the rich, whose blessed key,
Can bring him to his sweet up-locked treasure,
The which he will not every hour survey,
For blunting the fine point of seldom pleasure.
Therefore are feasts so solemn and so rare,
Since, seldom coming in that long year set,
Like stones of worth they thinly placed are,
Or captain jewels in the carcanet.
So is the time that keeps you as my chest,
Or as the wardrobe which the robe doth hide,
To make some special instant special-blest,
By new unfolding his imprison'd pride.
Blessed are you whose worthiness gives scope,
Being had, to triumph; being lacked, to hope.
--William Shakespeare

God loves each of us as if there were only one of us.
St. Augustine

 
XVIII

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?
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LXIII

Against my love shall be as I am now,
With Time's injurious hand crush'd and o'erworn;
When hours have drain'd his blood and fill'd his brow
With lines and wrinkles; when his youthful morn
Hath travell'd on to age's steepy night;
And all those beauties whereof now he's king
Are vanishing, or vanished out of sight,
Stealing away the treasure of his spring;
For such a time do I now fortify
Against confounding age's cruel knife,
That he shall never cut from memory
My sweet love's beauty, though my lover's life:
His beauty shall in these black lines be seen,
And they shall live, and he in them still green.
--William Shakespeare

Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings.
BibleOur passions are not too strong, they are too weak. We are far too easily pleased.

- C.S. Lewis, In Humanity

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This glad union hadmade it morning there,
And evening here: our hemisphere was dark,
While all the mountain bathed in white, when I
Saw Beatrice turned around, facing left,
her eyes raised to the sun-no eagle ever
couls stare so fixed and straight into such light!
-Dante, The Divine Comedy: ParadiseThe beauty of life, is that you don't have to be modernly beautiful to live it.

- C.S. Lewis, In BeautyA false enchantment can all too easily last a lifetime.
W. H. Auden

 
CXXVI

O thou, my lovely boy, who in thy power
Dost hold Ti
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Beauty is truth, truth is beauty, -that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
John Keats, Ode on a Grecian Urn, 1819There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have
it your way.'
C. S. LewisIt's strange that words are so inadequate. Yet, like the asthmatic struggling for breath, so the lover must struggle for
words.
T. S. Eliot

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being, to which we rarely penetrate; for our lives are mostly a constant evasion of ourselves.
T. S. EliotThings are pretty, graceful, rich, elegant, handsome, but, until they speak to the imagination, not yet
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LI

Thus can my love excuse the slow offence
Of my dull bearer when from thee I speed:
From where thou art why should I haste me thence?
Till I return, of posting is no need.
O! what excuse will my poor beast then find,
When swift extremity can seem but slow?
Then should I spur, though mounted on the wind,
In winged speed n:motion shall I know,
Then can no horse with my desire keep pace;
Therefore desire, of perfect'st love being made,
Shall neigh--no dull flesh--in his fiery race;
But love, for love, thus shall excuse my jade,--
'Since from thee going, he went wilful-slow,
Towards thee I'll run, and give him leave to go.'

LII

So am I as the rich, whose blessed key,
Can bring him to his sweet up-locked treasure,
The which he will not every hour survey,
For blunting the fine point of seldom pleasure.
Therefore are feasts so solemn and so rare,
Since, seldom coming in that long year set,
Like stones of worth they thinly placed are,
Or captain jewels in the carcanet.
So is the time that keeps you as my chest,
Or as the wardrobe which the robe doth hide,
To make some special instant special-blest,
By new unfolding his imprison'd pride.
Blessed are you whose worthiness gives scope,
Being had, to triumph; being lacked, to hope.
--William Shakespeare


CXXXII

Thine eyes I love, and they, as pitying me,
Knowing thy heart torment me with disdain,
Have put on black and loving mourners be,
Looking with pretty ruth upon my pain.
And truly not the morning sun of heaven
Better becomes the grey cheeks of the east,
Nor that full star that ushers in the even,
Doth half that glory to the sober west,
As those two mourning eyes become thy face:
O! let it then as well beseem thy heart
To mourn for me since mourning doth thee grace,
And suit thy pity like in every part.
Then will I swear beauty herself is black,
And all they foul that thy complexion lack.
--William Shakespeare

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LI

Thus can my love excuse the slow offence
Of my dull bearer when from thee I speed:
From where thou art why should I haste me thence?
Till I return, of posting is no need.
O! what excuse will my poor beast then find,
When swift extremity can seem but slow?
Then should I spur, though mounted on the wind,
In winged speed n:motion shall I know,
Then can no horse with my desire keep pace;
Therefore desire, of perfect'st love being made,
Shall neigh--no dull flesh--in his fiery race;
But love, for love, thus shall excuse my jade,--
'Since from thee going, he went wilful-slow,
Towards thee I'll run, and give him leave to go.'

LII

So am I as the rich, whose blessed key,
Can bring him to his sweet up-locked treasure,
The which he will not every hour survey,
For blunting the fine point of seldom pleasure.
Therefore are feasts so solemn and so rare,
Since, seldom coming in that long year set,
Like stones of worth they thinly placed are,
Or captain jewels in the carcanet.
So is the time that keeps you as my chest,
Or as the wardrobe which the robe doth hide,
To make some special instant special-blest,
By new unfolding his imprison'd pride.
Blessed are you whose worthiness gives scope,
Being had, to triumph; being lacked, to hope.
--William Shakespeare

A temporary insanity curable by marriage.
Ambrose Bierce 1842-1914, American AuthorSo the lover must struggle for words.
T. S. Eliot

 We regard God as an airman regards his parachute; it's there for
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LXXXIII

I never saw that you did painting need,
And therefore to your fair no painting set;
I found, or thought I found, you did exceed
That barren tender of a poet's debt:
And therefore have I slept in your report,
That you yourself, being extant, well might show
How far a modern quill doth come too short,
Speaking of worth, what worth in you doth grow.
This silence for my sin you did impute,
Which shall be most my glory being dumb;
For I impair not beauty being mute,
When others would give life, and bring a tomb.
There lives more life in one of your fair eyes
Than both your poets can in praise devise.
--William Shakespeare

The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more
certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie
through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but
through striving after rational knowledge. --Albert Einstein

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Founding Fathers Quotes

An honorable Peace is and always was my first wish! I can take no delight in the effusion of human Blood; but, if this War
should continue, I wish to have the most active part in it.
John Paul Jones, letter to Gouverneur Morris, Sept 2, 1782



Founding Fathers Quotes

Besides, to lay and collect internal taxes in this extensive country must require a great number of congressional ordinances,
immediately operation upon the body of the people; these must continually interfere with the state laws and thereby produce
disorder and general dissatisfaction till the one system of laws or the other, operating upon the same subjects, shall be
abolished.
Federal Farmer, Antifederalist Letter, October 10, 1787


XXXI

Thy bosom is endeared with all hearts,
Which I by lacking have supposed dead;
And there reigns Love, and all Love's loving parts,
And all those friends which I thought buried.
How many a holy and obsequious tear
Hath dear religious love stol'n from mine eye,
As interest of the dead, which now appear
But things remov'd that hidden in thee lie!
Thou art the grave where buried love doth live,
Hung with the trophies of my lovers gone,
Who all their parts of me to thee did give,
That due of many now is thine alone:
Their images I lov'd, I view in thee,
And thou--all they--hast all the all of me.
--William Shakespeare

  Women at that time were supposed to look pretty and throw little handk
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LVII

Being your slave what should I do but tend,
Upon the hours, and times of your desire?
I have no precious time at all to spend;
Nor services to do, till you require.
Nor dare I chide the world-without-end hour,
Whilst I, my sovereign, watch the clock for you,
Nor think the bitterness of absence sour,
When you have bid your servant once adieu;
Nor dare I question with my jealous thought
Where you may be, or your affairs suppose,
But, like a sad slave, stay and think of nought
Save, where you are, how happy you make those.
So true a fool is love, that in your will,
Though you do anything, he thinks no ill.
--William Shakespeare

I don't believe one grows older. I think that what happens early on in life is that at a certain age one stands still and
stagnates.
T. S. EliotImagination is more important than knowledge. --Albert Einstein

 The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of
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V

Those hours, that with gentle work did frame
The lovely gaze where every eye doth dwell,
Will play the tyrants to the very same
And that unfair which fairly doth excel;
For never-resting time leads summer on
To hideous winter, and confounds him there;
Sap checked with frost, and lusty leaves quite gone,
Beauty o'er-snowed and bareness every where:
Then were not summer's distillation left,
A liquid prisoner pent in walls of glass,
Beauty's effect with beauty were bereft,
Nor it, nor no remembrance what it was:
But flowers distill'd, though they with winter meet,
Leese but their show; their substance still lives sweet.
--William Shakespeare

He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the
spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be
done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all
this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds
than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing
under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder. --Albert Einstein

XXVII

Weary with toil, I haste me to my bed,
The dear respose for limbs with travel tir'd;
But then begins a journey in my head
To work my mind, when body's work's expired:
For then my thoughts--from far where I abide--
Intend a zealous pilgrimage to thee,
And keep my drooping eyelids open wide,
Looking on darkness which the blind do see:
Save that my soul's imaginary sight
Presents thy shadow to my sightless view,
Which, like a jewel (hung in ghastly night,
Makes black night beauteous, and her old face new.
Lo! thus, by day my limbs, by night my mind,
For thee, and for myself, no quiet find.
--William Shakespeare

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LXXXIII

I never saw that you did painting need,
And therefore to your fair no painting set;
I found, or thought I found, you did exceed
That barren tender of a poet's debt:
And therefore have I slept in your report,
That you yourself, being extant, well might show
How far a modern quill doth come too short,
Speaking of worth, what worth in you doth grow.
This silence for my sin you did impute,
Which shall be most my glory being dumb;
For I impair not beauty being mute,
When others would give life, and bring a tomb.
There lives more life in one of your fair eyes
Than both your poets can in praise devise.
--William Shakespeare

The glory of friendship is not the outstretched hand, nor the kindly smile, nor the joy of companionship; it is the
spiritual inspiration that comes to one when he discovers that someone else believes in him and is willing to trust him with
his friendship. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

Founding Fathers Quotes

An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and
no property can bear taxation.
John Marshall, McCullough v. Maryland, 1819

 
CIII

Alack! what poverty my Muse brings forth,
That having
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on the State of Virginia, 1784-1785

LXXVI

Why is my verse so barren of new pride,
So far from variation or quick change?
Why with the time do I not glance aside
To new-found methods, and to compounds strange?
Why write I still all one, ever the same,
And keep invention in a noted weed,
That every word doth almost tell my name,
Showing their birth, and where they did proceed?
O! know sweet love I always write of you,
And you and love are still my argument;
So all my best is dressing old words new,
Spending again what is already spent:
For as the sun is daily new and old,
So is my love still telling what is told.
--William Shakespeare

Beauty itself doth of itself persuade / The eyes of men without an orator.
-Shakespeare, The Rape of Lucrece (1594)

 I had seen birth and death but had thought they were different. T
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CX

Alas! 'tis true, I have gone here and there,
And made my self a motley to the view,
Gor'd mine own thoughts, sold cheap what is most dear,
Made old offences of affections new;
Most true it is, that I have look'd on truth
Askance and strangely; but, by all above,
These blenches gave my heart another youth,
And worse essays prov'd thee my best of love.
Now all is done, save what shall have no end:
Mine appetite I never more will grind
On newer proof, to try an older friend,
A god in love, to whom I am confin'd.
Then give me welcome, next my heaven the best,
Even to thy pure and most most loving breast.
--William Shakespeare


LX

Like as the waves make towards the pebbled shore,
So do our minutes hasten to their end;
Each changing place with that which goes before,
In sequent toil all forwards do contend.
Nativity, once in the main of light,
Crawls to maturity, wherewith being crown'd,
Crooked eclipses 'gainst his glory fight,
And Time that gave doth now his gift confound.
Time doth transfix the flourish set on youth
And delves the parallels in beauty's brow,
Feeds on the rarities of nature's truth,
And nothing stands but for his scythe to mow:
And yet to times in hope, my verse shall stand.
Praising thy worth, despite his cruel hand.
--William Shakespeare

Most of all, perhaps, we need an intimate knowlege of the past. Not that the past has anything magical about it, but we
cannot study the future.

- C.S. Lewis, In Education

 
LXXXII

I grant thou wert not married to my Muse,
And there
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III

Look in thy glass and tell the face thou viewest
Now is the time that face should form another;
Whose fresh repair if now thou not renewest,
Thou dost beguile the world, unbless some mother.
For where is she so fair whose unear'd womb
Disdains the tillage of thy husbandry?
Or who is he so fond will be the tomb,
Of his self-love to stop posterity?
Thou art thy mother's glass and she in thee
Calls back the lovely April of her prime;
So thou through windows of thine age shalt see,
Despite of wrinkles this thy golden time.
But if thou live, remember'd not to be,
Die single and thine image dies with thee.
--William Shakespeare

People to whom nothing has ever happened cannot understand the unimportance of events.
T. S. Eliot

LXXVIII

So oft have I invoked thee for my Muse,
And found such fair assistance in my verse
As every alien pen hath got my use
And under thee their poesy disperse.
Thine eyes, that taught the dumb on high to sing
And heavy ignorance aloft to fly,
Have added feathers to the learned's wing
And given grace a double majesty.
Yet be most proud of that which I compile,
Whose influence is thine, and born of thee:
In others' works thou dost but mend the style,
And arts with thy sweet graces graced be;
But thou art all my art, and dost advance
As high as learning, my rude ignorance.
--William Shakespeare

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CI

O truant Muse what shall be thy amends
For thy neglect of truth in beauty dy'd?
Both truth and beauty on my love depends;
So dost thou too, and therein dignified.
Make answer Muse: wilt thou not haply say,
'Truth needs no colour, with his colour fix'd;
Beauty no pencil, beauty's truth to lay;
But best is best, if never intermix'd'?
Because he needs no praise, wilt thou be dumb?
Excuse not silence so, for't lies in thee
To make him much outlive a gilded tomb
And to be prais'd of ages yet to be.
Then do thy office, Muse; I teach thee how
To make him seem long hence as he shows now.
--William Shakespeare


LX

Like as the waves make towards the pebbled shore,
So do our minutes hasten to their end;
Each changing place with that which goes before,
In sequent toil all forwards do contend.
Nativity, once in the main of light,
Crawls to maturity, wherewith being crown'd,
Crooked eclipses 'gainst his glory fight,
And Time that gave doth now his gift confound.
Time doth transfix the flourish set on youth
And delves the parallels in beauty's brow,
Feeds on the rarities of nature's truth,
And nothing stands but for his scythe to mow:
And yet to times in hope, my verse shall stand.
Praising thy worth, despite his cruel hand.
--William Shakespeare

I never can feel certain of any truth but from a clear perception of its Beauty. -John Keats

 Mortal lovers must not try to remain at the first step; for lasti
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CXV

Those lines that I before have writ do lie,
Even those that said I could not love you dearer:
Yet then my judgment knew no reason why
My most full flame should afterwards burn clearer.
But reckoning Time, whose million'd accidents
Creep in 'twixt vows, and change decrees of kings,
Tan sacred beauty, blunt the sharp'st intents,
Divert strong minds to the course of altering things;
Alas! why fearing of Time's tyranny,
Might I not then say, 'Now I love you best,'
When I was certain o'er incertainty,
Crowning the present, doubting of the rest?
Love is a babe, then might I not say so,
To give full growth to that which still doth grow?

CXVI

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O, no! it is an ever-fixed mark,
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come;
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me prov'd,
I never writ, nor no man ever lov'd.
--William Shakespeare

Beauty in all things-no, we cannot hope for that; but some place set apart for it. -Edna St. Vincent
Millay, 1940We shape our buildings-therafter they shape us. -Sir Winston Churchill

 The end of the human race will be that it will eventually die of civilization. --
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Humankind cannot bear very much reality.
T. S. EliotDo not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you
mine are still greater. --Albert EinsteinThe louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons. --EmersonYes, we have to divide up our time like that, between our politics and
our equations. But to me our equations are far more important, for
politics are only a matter of present concern. A mathematical equation
stands forever. --Albert Einstein

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XXXVII

As a decrepit father takes delight
To see his active child do deeds of youth,
So I, made lame by Fortune\'s dearest spite,
Take all my comfort of thy worth and truth;
For whether beauty, birth, or wealth, or wit,
Or any of these all, or all, or more,
Entitled in thy parts, do crowned sit,
I make my love engrafted, to this store:
So then I am not lame, poor, nor despis\'d,
Whilst that this shadow doth such substance give
That I in thy abundance am suffic\'d,
And by a part of all thy glory live.
Look what is best, that best I wish in thee:
This wish I have; then ten times happy me!

XXXVIII

How can my muse want subject to invent,
While thou dost breathe, that pour\'st into my verse
Thine own sweet argument, too excellent
For every vulgar paper to rehearse?
O! give thy self the thanks, if aught in me
Worthy perusal stand against thy sight;
For who\'s so dumb that cannot write to thee,
When thou thy self dost give invention light?
Be thou the tenth Muse, ten times more in worth
Than those old nine which rhymers invocate;
And he that calls on thee, let him bring forth
Eternal numbers to outlive long date.
If my slight muse do please these curious days,
The pain be mine, but thine shall be the praise.
--William Shakespeare

We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place
for the first time.
T. S. Eliot

III

Look in thy glass and tell the face thou viewest
Now is the time that face should form another;
Whose fresh repair if now thou not renewest,
Thou dost beguile the world, unbless some mother.
For where is she so fair whose unear\'d womb
Disdains the tillage of thy husbandry?
Or who is he so fond will be the tomb,
Of his self-love to stop posterity?
Thou art thy mother\'s glass and she in thee
Calls back the lovely April of her prime;
So thou through windows of thine age shalt see,
Despite of wrinkles this thy golden time.
But if thou live, remember\'d not to be,
Die single and thine image dies with thee.
--William Shakespeare



Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats
believe every day is April 15.
Ronald Reagan

 The beauty of life, is that you don't have to be modernly beauti
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The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit
to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his
intelligence. --Albert EinsteinNow he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That
means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the
distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly
persistent illusion. --Albert Einstein

CXLVI

Poor soul, the centre of my sinful earth,
My sinful earth these rebel powers array,
Why dost thou pine within and suffer dearth,
Painting thy outward walls so costly gay?
Why so large cost, having so short a lease,
Dost thou upon thy fading mansion spend?
Shall worms, inheritors of this excess,
Eat up thy charge? Is this thy body's end?
Then soul, live thou upon thy servant's loss,
And let that pine to aggravate thy store;
Buy terms divine in selling hours of dross;
Within be fed, without be rich no more:
So shall thou feed on Death, that feeds on men,
And Death once dead, there's no more dying then.
--William Shakespeare

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contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the
spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be
done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all
this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds
than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing
under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder. --Albert EinsteinThe whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday
thinking. --Albert EinsteinThings are pretty, graceful, rich, elegant, handsome, but, until they speak to the imagination, not yet
beautiful.

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XXV

Let those who are in favour with their stars
Of public honour and proud titles boast,
Whilst I, whom fortune of such triumph bars
Unlook'd for joy in that I honour most.
Great princes' favourites their fair leaves spread
But as the marigold at the sun's eye,
And in themselves their pride lies buried,
For at a frown they in their glory die.
The painful warrior famoused for fight,
After a thousand victories once foil'd,
Is from the book of honour razed quite,
And all the rest forgot for which he toil'd:
Then happy I, that love and am belov'd,
Where I may not remove nor be remov'd.
--William Shakespeare


XCVI

Some say thy fault is youth, some wantonness;
Some say thy grace is youth and gentle sport;
Both grace and faults are lov'd of more and less:
Thou mak'st faults graces that to thee resort.
As on the finger of a throned queen
The basest jewel will be well esteem'd,
So are those errors that in thee are seen
To truths translated, and for true things deem'd.
How many lambs might the stern wolf betray,
If like a lamb he could his looks translate!
How many gazers mightst thou lead away,
if thou wouldst use the strength of all thy state!
But do not so; I love thee in such sort,
As, thou being mine, mine is thy good report.
--William Shakespeare

God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates
empirically. --Albert Einstein

 
LXXI

No longer mourn for me when I am dead
Than you shall
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CVIII

What's in the brain, that ink may character,
Which hath not figur'd to thee my true spirit?
What's new to speak, what now to register,
That may express my love, or thy dear merit?
Nothing, sweet boy; but yet, like prayers divine,
I must each day say o'er the very same;
Counting no old thing old, thou mine, I thine,
Even as when first I hallow'd thy fair name.
So that eternal love in love's fresh case,
Weighs not the dust and injury of age,
Nor gives to necessary wrinkles place,
But makes antiquity for aye his page;
Finding the first conceit of love there bred,
Where time and outward form would show it dead.
--William Shakespeare

What does love look like? It has the hands to help others. It has the feet to hasten to the poor and needy. It has eyes to
see misery and want. It has the ears to hear the sighs and sorrows of men. That is what love looks like.
St. Augustine 354-430, Numidian-born Bishop of Hippo, TheologianChildren are all foreigners. --Ralph Waldo Emerson

 I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice. --Albert Einstei
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Beauty deprived of its proper foils an adjuncts ceases to be enjoyed as beauty, just as light deprived of
all shadow ceases to be enjoyed as light.
-John Ruskin, Modern Painters (1843-60)

LXX

That thou art blam'd shall not be thy defect,
For slander's mark was ever yet the fair;
The ornament of beauty is suspect,
A crow that flies in heaven's sweetest air.
So thou be good, slander doth but approve
Thy worth the greater being woo'd of time;
For canker vice the sweetest buds doth love,
And thou present'st a pure unstained prime.
Thou hast passed by the ambush of young days
Either not assail'd, or victor being charg'd;
Yet this thy praise cannot be so thy praise,
To tie up envy, evermore enlarg'd,
If some suspect of ill mask'd not thy show,
Then thou alone kingdoms of hearts shouldst owe.
--William Shakespeare

Love: St. Augustine Quotes
He who is filled with love is filled with God himself.

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LXXIII

That time of year thou mayst in me behold
When yellow leaves, or none, or few, do hang
Upon those boughs which shake against the cold,
Bare ruin'd choirs, where late the sweet birds sang.
In me thou see'st the twilight of such day
As after sunset fadeth in the west;
Which by and by black night doth take away,
Death's second self, that seals up all in rest.
In me thou see'st the glowing of such fire,
That on the ashes of his youth doth lie,
As the death-bed, whereon it must expire,
Consum'd with that which it was nourish'd by.
This thou perceiv'st, which makes thy love more strong,
To love that well, which thou must leave ere long.
--William Shakespeare

I think when we get those moments where things are just too hard to comprehend, there is a whole different world.

- C.S. Lewis, In Places

Founding Fathers Quotes

All good men wish the entire abolition of slavery, as soon as it can take place with safety to the public, and for the lasting
good of the present wretched race of slaves. The only possible step that could be taken towards it by the convention was to
fix a period after which they should not be imported.
Oliver Ellsworth, The Landholder, December 10, 1787

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